DSLR vs Mirrorless (Page 4): Mirrorless is on way, but the extras (lenses etc.) are not all available and some that are out on the market may need some tweaking. The choices and the...

Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb

Mirrorless is on way, but the extras (lenses etc.) are not all available and some that are out on the market may need some tweaking. The choices and the state of the art are not found in the Mirrorless Cameras that the DSLR are at yet.
I don't find any improvement in the new cameras that are with the money to own them. I only buy new cameras when I can improve man pictures.
AND I DON'T SEE WHAT THE NEW SYSTEM DOES TO GIVE ME A BETTER PICTURE, not easer or faster or----.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

xt2 wrote:

The "question" of lenses is unique to Canon and Nikon who are new at this. Other mirrorless manufacturers are well ahead of the curve with fabulous lenses and zero "issues."

Actually, the adapters allow complete compatibility with existing lenses. In some cases improved lens performance had been reported especially in AF speed. And top of the line Canon and Nikon lenses beat the competition quite handily.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Picture Taker wrote:

Mirrorless is on way, but the extras (lenses etc.) are not all available and some that are out on the market may need some tweaking. The choices and the state of the art are not found in the Mirrorless Cameras that the DSLR are at yet.
I don't find any improvement in the new cameras that are with the money to own them. I only buy new cameras when I can improve man pictures.
AND I DON'T SEE WHAT THE NEW SYSTEM DOES TO GIVE ME A BETTER PICTURE, not easer or faster or----.

The Nikon and Canon FF mirrorless cameras are fully compatible (with the adapters) with their current lenses. The direct AF on the single sensor is an improvement over using a second focusing sensor as in a DSLR. The high quality EVFs provide a WYSIWYG ability far beyond the ability of DSLRs as well as more available information in the viewfinder.

Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)

davyboy wrote:

Then Gene get your wallet out! Panasonic’s new full frame cameras are going to rock da world 😉

Sure, as soon as a)my current cameras either break or cease to do what I need them to do, and b)whatever new mirrorless camera allows me to use the collection of excellent lenses I have accumulated for my F-Mount Nikons. And I am not just talking about being able to attach the lens to the camera - it has to work just as well as my Nikons do.

billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont

MarcH wrote:

Sony a7iii is superior to the Nikon or Canan FF mirroless

Really. And your proof is?

ggenova64

Sony Mirroless. Thought about Canon but they will be continuing manufacturing large lenses.

BebuLamar

Fredrick wrote:

What’s not to like about the viewfinder? My Fuji X-T2 and Fuji X100F mirrorless cameras have both EVF and OVF, and they’re incredible.

I wouldn't want the OVF of the X100F. If you like the EVF it's OK to each his own but the OVF of the X100F? Nah.... Besides I don't think the X-T2 has OVF.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Gene51 wrote:

Sure, as soon as a)my current cameras either break or cease to do what I need them to do, and b)whatever new mirrorless camera allows me to use the collection of excellent lenses I have accumulated for my F-Mount Nikons. And I am not just talking about being able to attach the lens to the camera - it has to work just as well as my Nikons do.

Of course the OP was asking about buying a first FF and not moving from another FF DSLR. But for Canon shooters it is a bit easier as the adapters have been praised for their excellent operation with no loss of function and, in some cases, improved performance.

Another issue for the OP is the use of existing APS-C lenses through the adapters (at least for Canon) making the transition to FF easier than going the FF DLSR route.

CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

DW wrote:

I’ve been doing some research, just interested in what you fine folks think. If money were no object and you were buying your first full-frame camera, would it be a DSLR or mirrorless? I’m looking at the D850 but just comparing it to the Z7.

I don't think there is any doubt that mirrorless will replace DSLR. If I were a young person, I would go with mirrorless, because the lenses are going to be manufactured for the new mount. The older technology lenses will need adapters to be used on the mirrorless bodies, and will not give the same quality as the newer ones. As an older person, with a life expectancy that will not go beyond that of the DSLR, it makes no difference.

CatMarley Loc: North Carolina

Picture Taker wrote:

Mirrorless is on way, but the extras (lenses etc.) are not all available and some that are out on the market may need some tweaking. The choices and the state of the art are not found in the Mirrorless Cameras that the DSLR are at yet.
I don't find any improvement in the new cameras that are with the money to own them. I only buy new cameras when I can improve man pictures.
AND I DON'T SEE WHAT THE NEW SYSTEM DOES TO GIVE ME A BETTER PICTURE, not easer or faster or----.

So ease of use has no importance to you? Then you have never used a camera like the Fuji XT-2. You like having to go searching thru menus to change settings. You like the optical viewer that looks like a black hole in low light. You like not really knowing what your shot looks like until you chimp it.

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

CatMarley wrote:

I don't think there is any doubt that mirrorless will replace DSLR. If I were a young person, I would go with mirrorless, because the lenses are going to be manufactured for the new mount. The older technology lenses will need adapters to be used on the mirrorless bodies, and will not give the same quality as the newer ones. As an older person, with a life expectancy that will not go beyond that of the DSLR, it makes no difference.

Interesting comment. I told a friend who is now 79 years. That California plans to get rid of all combustion engines by the year 2040. His reply was. It won't matter to me. And, if he does make it to 2040, he will probably be too old to drive.

Pumble

I a struggling with the same question. I am a Canon user. Am looking at the EOS-R v the 5D MkIV. I have a 7DMkII. I would recommend what I'm doing, renting each from Lensrental.com and take them for a spin.

To me, what fancies one isn't important to another. Albeit the mirrorless line maybe first gen, this isn't much different than one who likens the difference between a Toyota Hybrid v Toyota Gas model, they have 4 wheels and go from point A to B but the internals are different.

I've watched a lot of Youtube videos and taken them with a grain of salt. I now have the rental and thus far, I'm loving the EOS-R. I may not even have to rent the 5D MkIV. It has the same sensor, so it's the lack of a mirror, user interface, a card slot and the EVF I have to get over. Thus far, I've gotten the settings where I've wanted them, and I've done a side by side comparison of a newspaper shot on the wall from about 5 feet with the same lens between the EOS-R and my old 7D MkII to see the fine detail differences in the shots. Truly gorgeous images from the EOS-R.

Just my take.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Pumble wrote:

I a struggling with the same question. I am a Can... (show quote)

If I were in a buying position, I would buy from B&H or Adorama. They have 30 day return policies. I would need a coupe of weeks. The rental for two weeks would run around $250 after which I could no longer afford the eos-r.

NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC

If, as you say money were no object, then I would buy both and probably some others such as Sony etc. Why care if you can easily afford them. Buy them all and find out what you like. Then give the rest away to kids who are interested in photography.

camerauser78

I'll agree to that. EVF would take me a while to get used to using. EVF always feels unreal to my old brain.