DSLR vs Mirrorless (Page 5): That's really not a great way to treat a vendor and besides there is a restocking charge of some 20%. There goes your $250.

Pumble

That's really not a great way to treat a vendor and besides there is a restocking charge of some 20%. There goes your $250.

SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA

jtwind wrote:

I shoot sony mirrorless and think live view in the viewfinder and the focus peaking is a game changer.

Yes, I love the nice bright pentaprism on my D7200 but I’m also starting to love the live view in my
Unix G85 EVF. Nothing like dialing up some EC and seeing exactly what I’m gonna get. There is a D500 in my near future, but if Nikon made a comparable APS-C mirrorless I’d seriously consider it.

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Pumble wrote:

That's really not a great way to treat a vendor and besides there is a restocking charge of some 20%. There goes your $250.

Don't know who you are replying to, but if it is about the B&H and Adorama policies I mentioned, there is no restocking fee if you comply with the terms of their return polices. And satisfaction is why they have the policies.

I said that if I were in a position to buy, that is what I would do. I agree that if someone wanted to rent equipment for limited use (never really intends to buy) then it would be immoral to buy and return. I am only talking about intending to purchase. What I proposed is the reason they have the polices in the first place.

joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois

DW wrote:

I’ve been doing some research, just interested in what you fine folks think. If money were no object and you were buying your first full-frame camera, would it be a DSLR or mirrorless? I’m looking at the D850 but just comparing it to the Z7.

It would definitely be the Sony A9 and the 400mm f2.8...then budget brings me back to reality.

felo6162009

DW wrote:

I’ve been doing some research, just interested in what you fine folks think. If money were no object and you were buying your first full-frame camera, would it be a DSLR or mirrorless? I’m looking at the D850 but just comparing it to the Z7.

The best advise that I got about cameras came from the professional photographer Joe Edelman. He told me you making an investment on you camera and lenses, the best way on going about it it's first know what is that you want to capture and then pick a DSLR and A lens and rent it at the same time pic a mirroless camera and a lens and rent it and see which one fits your needs before you make an investment

CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska

Always nice to have a little humor thrown in these discussions. Good one. Had me laughing.

User ID wrote:

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gwilliams6

If you plan to stick with Nikon cameras, then the Z7 is not yet up to the performance of the D850, except, and this is a big one, video autofocusing and capture. The D850 beats the Z7 for stills, but the Z7 is better for video. For sports, events the D850 is still superior.

Now if you want the very best mirrorless system, Nikon is good, but Sony is still the best, especially for sports , events and low light performance,plus great video (A7RIII, A7III and A9) . And they have the largest lineup of native mirrorless lenses. But that is moot if you really want to stay with Nikon. If so, the Nikon Z7 may get better in the next generations but for stills the D850 is still a bit better, IMHO.

FYI, I was pro Nikon and Canon DSLR shooter for 40 years and made the switch to Sony mirrorless back in 2017 and have never looked back. The first FF mirrorless from Nikon is better than Canon's EOS R and RP, but both Nikon and Canon FF mirrorless are not yet up to the overall performance of the best from Sony. They will surely get better in the next generations, but so will Sony.

If I was in your place, I would opt for the D850 right now. If you can wait a year or so, maybe the next Z camera will be the one for you.

Cheers

bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada

DW wrote:

I’ve been doing some research, just interested in what you fine folks think. If money were no object and you were buying your first full-frame camera, would it be a DSLR or mirrorless? I’m looking at the D850 but just comparing it to the Z7.

Definitely mirrorless but I'm referring to Sony's Alpha line of cameras. Nikon is new to this arena. Not sure if I'd buy a first release!?

bwa

Bernu

Read Ken Rockwell's reviews of the Canon R and more recently, the RP.

https://kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

gwilliams6

Bernu wrote:

Read Ken Rockwell's reviews of the Canon R and more recently, the RP.

https://kenrockwell.com/canon/eos-r/rp.htm

Be careful what reviews you read, many reviewers are paid by the manufacturers as professional "influencers" and are known not to be unbiased.

Oly Guy

I reason DSLR-pick it up get the lightest model put a light lens on-and look through the viewfinder-cameras off and you see through the lens-thats the difference for me -turn it on and shoot 3 shots before the mirrorless even focuses.I have shake and it makes speed important-refocus is also much quicker for me with the DSLR. I feel the depth of field is better in general with the DSLR.Am I biased? Yes I am!

DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina

DW wrote:

I’ve been doing some research, just interested in what you fine folks think. If money were no object and you were buying your first full-frame camera, would it be a DSLR or mirrorless? I’m looking at the D850 but just comparing it to the Z7.

Canon 1DX Mk III and a series of L primes.

Oly Guy

Yes electronic viewfinders are weak compared to pentaprism ones for me-DSLRs are sweet although there is the weight factor-I find the camera sling is slick for walking with a DSLR for shorter hikes also-I have a olympus OMd5 and all the lenses but keep going back to my d7200 or d3400 or d600.

Pumble

Oly Guy wrote:

I reason DSLR-pick it up get the lightest model put a light lens on-and look through the viewfinder-cameras off and you see through the lens-thats the difference for me -turn it on and shoot 3 shots before the mirrorless even focuses.I have shake and it makes speed important-refocus is also much quicker for me with the DSLR. I feel the depth of field is better in general with the DSLR.Am I biased? Yes I am!

No disrespect but it seems you haven't used the EOS-R. Admittedly it isn't for sports, but turn on time is insignificant, I turn it on and am shooting in less than 2 seconds. With the 5000+ focus points and the speed it focuses the EOS-R wins focusing hands down. Also the DOF is lens/sensor dependent, it has nothing to do with a mirror. Since it has the same sensor as the 5D MkII, not sure what relevance the mirror has in that.

DeanS Loc: Capital City area of North Carolina

Pumble wrote:

No disrespect but it seems you haven't used the EOS-R. Admittedly it isn't for sports, but turn on time is insignificant, I turn it on and am shooting in less than 2 seconds. With the 5000+ focus points and the speed it focuses the EOS-R wins focusing hands down. Also the DOF is lens/sensor dependent, it has nothing to do with a mirror. Since it has the same sensor as the 5D MkII, not sure what relevance the mirror has in that.

I think the fully grown R has the same sensor as the MkIV, not the MkII. I think the sensor in the RP, which I obtained Wed, is the same as the 7D Mk II. I could be mistakek, however.