RMM wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
RMM, There goes that lame Athiest logic again. No one imposes their beliefs on you! You either listen to (or read) or you don't. No one forces you to divulge dear sir. That's the beauty of having the god given inalienable right to the freedom of speech and religion. In fact, The Constitution of These United States of America guarantees my RIGHT to impose my beliefs on anyone I wish. If you are truly a man without God, then why would you be so worried about what others believe. That said; you also have the right to ignore me.
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So quick to come out with the Atheist label, which I suppose sits on the shelf right next to the Liberal label.
My religious beliefs are my personal business. You choose to express yours publicly, which is fine, and I do not, which is also fine.
You assert that the Constitution guarantees you the RIGHT to impose your beliefs on anyone you wish. I'd certainly appreciate your citing chapter and verse for that one!
If I misunderstood you, accept my apology in advance.
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My beautiful bride has filled all my shelves with her stuff, so, none of my labels are there sir. I have to dig for them.
No sir, you didn't misunderstand me at all. And my apologies to you for assuming you were an athiest. I think that anyone reading your statement would come to the same conclusion. What I find funny about that though, whether Christian or Athiest, why hide what you truly believe? I say 'shout it from the mountain tops'!
My sister in law does that. She's a devout Athiest, but doesn't want her parents to find out. She'll even go to church and act like she's praying if her mother or grandmother ask her to go. Odd.
The original constitution was written in haste as they needed to ratify something soon. After winning our freedom from Great Britain, they needed to have something solid, quick.
During the debates on the adoption of the Constitution, its opponents repeatedly charged that the Constitution as drafted would open the way to tyranny by the central government. Fresh in their minds was the memory of the British violation of civil rights before and during the Revolution. They demanded a "bill of rights" that would spell out the immunities of individual citizens. Several state conventions in their formal ratification of the Constitution asked for such amendments; others ratified the Constitution with the understanding that the amendments would be offered.
On September 25, 1789, the First Congress of the United States therefore proposed to the state legislatures 12 amendments to the Constitution that met arguments most frequently advanced against it. The first two proposed amendments, which concerned the number of constituents for each Representative and the compensation of Congressmen, were not ratified. Articles 3 to 12, however, ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures, constitute the first 10 amendments of the Constitution, known as the Bill of Rights.
Although the first amendment does not say word for word, what I had blabbered off earlier, in plain speak as suggested by Jefferson, Adams and Franklin, they wrote:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
More or less stating that I can SAY anything to ANYONE. So, my right to my religion and free speech, granted to me by God, and guaranteed to me IN WRITING, by our founding fathers, although not spelled out word for word, does include my freedom to discuss my religious beliefs wherever and whenever I wish. This also does grant you your right to not listen, not exactly word for word, but nevertheless, it does. Without fear of legal actions or a little ol' beheading even.