jerryc41 wrote:
Right! I don't use a sun dial to tell the time; my car starts electrically, not with a crank; I don't carry water from a stream in buckets. Modern life is great!
Best Answer Award goes to Jerry.
CHG_CANON wrote:
Manual means whatever someone wants to misunderstand it to be ... Is it putting the DSLR to M and using the meter to set the exposure to the 0-mark? Is it setting the camera lens to manual and using the Live View on the DSLR or the focus "peek" to 100% in the MILC EVF? Is it setting the ISO to a specific value instead of AUTO ISO? Is it using EC to push the exposure until the histogram is just touching the right side? Is it taking the JPEG SOOC with no PP?
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BINGO!
Something on the order of making use of the View Cameras = You Must Think About What YOU Want and What You are Doing and About What You Want The PRINT to Come Out The Way YOU want It.
Thank you.
Peace - Out.
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If you learn how to shoot your DSLR in manual mode, it adds to your repertoire of techniques. Using auto modes limits you if subject or light doesn't fit your regular mode. Me, I mostly shoot in aperture priority, auto or 100-200 ISO, f-stop for conditions or DOF.
But with Michigan's dearth of sunny warm days since September, I find myself using manual mode searching for a combo that will give me SOME kind of usable image.
In the old days when digital camera were coming out, there was usually a delay, sometimes over 2 second from pressing the shutter release, and the shutter action. For that, putting the camera in as manual as you could decreased the lag time. That was useful for fast action photography. I used manual for skydiving photography. Again fast action, and real hard to get the subject to go back into the airplane for another exit! Also, at 13,000 feet, was generally the same day after day, so manual (iso, f-stop, shutter, focu) was good and you got the pictures (with the shutter release in your mouth - bite or tongue switch). Wide angle lens for good depth of field. Canon was the typical camera (using the cable release) and Sony was the typical video camera (rugged!). Now go-pro is common. The Canon/Sony I used also worked for HALO (High Altitude / Low Opening) jumps at 30,000 ft (-40F, very thin air, 180 MPH wind). Also, sometimes at 13,000 feet you had undercast, real nice to have the bright clouds below you to illuminate the bottom of your subject.
Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.
Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.
What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
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If you are shooting wildlife, (including birds in sky and on water) the brightness backround can change drastically and thus your exposure as dictated my the meter. -IF- the light is fairly constant (few clouds and subject stays out of the shadows) - that is when I consider going full manual instead of chasing the compensation for light or dark backrounds.
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Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.
Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.
What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
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I too started shooting in the 1960s, with fully manual cameras. I feel a lot of todays photographers saying they only shoot in manual are engaging in one-upmanship, they are the real and/or pure photographer in doing so.
As someone who has used everything from Minox spy cameras to the Polaroid 20x24 with most in between sizes, as fully manual, when I go out with my Nikon DSLR, it's on P mode.
Sometimes the most meaningful definitions are personal and subjective how does this make sense to you? Listen, read, experiment and think. What works for you? That’s what you’re asking and for you to figure out.
I do what I do, it may or may not work for you but it’s the result of my experiences.
I choose manual because in the past:
- My camera has chosen f5.6 when I wanted the depth of field from f11.
- My camera has chosen 1/100 when I wanted 1/800.
- My camera has chosen to adjust the iSO thus over exposing my image.
- My camera has chosen to adjust the ISO thus under exposing my image.
- My camera has decided to give me a very sharply focused tree branch and an out of focus bird behind it.
These are my experiences, you have to decide what works for you!!
I use manual almost all the time. I look at the meter. Sometimes I want it a little underexposed, sometimes right on zero. It depends on the situation. I set the iso where I want it. I play with the f stop to get the depth of field that I want or change the shutter speed to get the affect I want. It's really quite simple. It's not hard at all. I don't understand what all the fuss its about.
Jim1938 wrote:
I got my first 35mm camera in 1960 and every shot was manually exposed, except for the ASA (now ISO). After a while, I bought and used a light meter and my pictures became a lot better and much more interesting.
Lately I've seen quite a few questions regarding manual shooting and wonder why one would ever want to shoot entirely in manual mode, except in some very rare circumstances? At best, manual mode is a guess about the proper exposure settings, although some photographers can probably do a passable job. Certainly, I can see setting two variables manually and letting the camera set the remaining variable automatically, but totally manual exposure, I don't see.
What am I missing? Does "manual" mean setting two variables manually or does it mean setting all variables manually? Are manually exposed shots better in some way? Is it just a guessing game and the one who gets the closest to a great exposure wins the game? Help...
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My history mirrors yours...maybe a couple of years later. I started with an Argus C4 and the information on the film insert sheet. But the C4 did have a split image viewfinder to provide focus assistance. Later inherited a Voightlander Vitomatic which lost the focus assist but gained a match needle light meter. So I guess even in my earliest days, I never really shot fully manual.
My personal belief about this subject is two-fold...manual shooting is completely over rated, and almost no one does it, no matter what they claim. Sure, there are situations when a particular aperture works "best." Sometimes a particular shutter speed works best. A lot of the time, a particular ISO provides best results. So set one. It's part of the game.
If you really, really want to shoot manual, get a box of the right size, paint it flat black inside, cut a hole and mount a lens, and figure out how to secure your film or sensor to the opposite side of the box. Don't spend a thousand, or two thousand, or five thousand or however many dollars for a fancy camera with all sorts of capabilities and functions and helps and then "shoot manual only." What a silly waste of money.
But if you shoot manual, then shoot manual. No Auto ISO to make sure the exposure is right. No two second delay to make sure there is no camera vibration.
If you are going to claim it, be honest about it.
larryepage wrote:
My history mirrors yours...maybe a couple of years later. I started with an Argus C4 and the information on the film insert sheet. But the C4 did have a split image viewfinder to provide focus assistance. Later inherited a Voightlander Vitomatic which lost the focus assist but gained a match needle light meter. So I guess even in my earliest days, I never really shot fully manual.
My personal belief about this subject is two-fold...manual shooting is completely over rated, and almost no one does it, no matterwhat they claim. Sure, there are situations when a particular aperture works "best." Sometimes a particular shutter speed works best. A lot of the time, a particular ISO provides best results. So set one. It's part of the game.
If you really, really want to shoot manual, get a box of the right size, paint it flat black inside, cut a hole and mount a lens, and figure out how to secure your film or sensor to the opposite side of the box. Don't spend a thousand, or two thousand, or five thousand or however many dollars for a fancy camera with all sorts of capabilities and functions and helps and then "shoot manual only." What a silly waste of money.
But if you shoot manual, then shoot manual. No Auto ISO to make sure the exposure is right. No two second delay to make sure there is no camera vibration.
If you are going to claim it, be honest about it.
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I do shoot full manual when shooting macro. No auto of any sort, no auto ISO or anything else. Full on manual with an older manual focus lens
I feel a lot of todays photographers saying they only shoot in manual are engaging in one-upmanship, they are the real and/or pure photographer in doing so.
Perhaps you feel that way but you have no evidence that others do. I haven't seen anybody disparage those who do not shoot manual so why disparage those who do?
larryepage wrote:
My history mirrors yours...maybe a couple of years later. I started with an Argus C4 and the information on the film insert sheet. But the C4 did have a split image viewfinder to provide focus assistance. Later inherited a Voightlander Vitomatic which lost the focus assist but gained a match needle light meter. So I guess even in my earliest days, I never really shot fully manual.
My personal belief about this subject is two-fold...manual shooting is completely over rated, and almost no one does it, no matter what they claim. Sure, there are situations when a particular aperture works "best." Sometimes a particular shutter speed works best. A lot of the time, a particular ISO provides best results. So set one. It's part of the game.
If you really, really want to shoot manual, get a box of the right size, paint it flat black inside, cut a hole and mount a lens, and figure out how to secure your film or sensor to the opposite side of the box. Don't spend a thousand, or two thousand, or five thousand or however many dollars for a fancy camera with all sorts of capabilities and functions and helps and then "shoot manual only." What a silly waste of money.
But if you shoot manual, then shoot manual. No Auto ISO to make sure the exposure is right. No two second delay to make sure there is no camera vibration.
If you are going to claim it, be honest about it.
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I just finish using a Nicca 3-S Camera. If that is not manual camera I don't know what is. Waiting for film to come back to see how my pictures came out.
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