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Mar 8, 2019 00:38:23   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
Hello Jim1938,

If you don’t mind I would like to explain to you how people that shoot in manual mode do it or at least, this is how they should do it. First of all back when I use to do everything with film I used Canon F1 cameras with a motor drive attached to it because I use to do a lot sports, later I change that for the Canon EOS 1V, exceptional cameras. The F1 has been my favorite camera to use because of the simplicity that now is lost in cameras. Back then whatever film I used in the camera I would always cut the ASA in half for better exposure. My prefer film was Tri-X Pro which had an ASA of 320 and I use it at 160. This of course would allow me to have every negative overexposed by one stop. The F1 had several features but I use it all in manual mode this way.

1. Set the ASA in half of the normal ASA.
2. Set the shutter speed to 1/1000 of a second (My preferred shutter speed whenever possible)
3. Used all prime lenses with maximum apertures of f/2.8 or faster. By the way, back then, I use fixed focus length lenses and no zoom, they are always faster.
4. Always make sure to follow the light meter by changing the apertures of the lens only.
5. Focus and shoot. Very simple!

Of course things have change now with these digital wonders that they make now days. So now shooting in manual mode it means to use everything in manual and not in auto anything. It means that you know enough of photography to create the images with the knowledge you have in photography and not the people that programmed the camera for the user. It’s just a matter of pride by doing everything yourself. So, my camera of choice nowadays is Canon 5D Mark III, I set it up this way.

1. Mode, Manual or shutter speed priority.
2. ISO never higher than 400, if you know what you are doing there is no need, even at night.
3. White balance, Daylight to capture the color of light the way it really is. This allows me to get a cinematic look in my photos.
4. Focusing in AI Servo, my eyes are not what they use to be.
5. Picture styles, Landscape for better contrast.
6. File type, always RAW

As you can see, in digital cameras is a bit more to set up but no one has to do this every time. To take the pictures all I have to do is to set an aperture or shutter speed, depending on the situation, and use the other to set the correct setting in the light meter. Taking pictures in manual mode is very easy for anyone if the person takes the time to learn it. Again, decide what is important for a particular shot, aperture or shutter speed, set it in the camera and just use the other to control the light meter. No big deal.
Again, some people just want to have total control. In my case I take a lot of photos in the studio and out of the studio and I like to teach all of it to my students.

Cheers Jim.
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It’s really great to have someone tell us this how everyone should be doing it.

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Mar 8, 2019 02:47:15   #
ialvarez50
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It’s really great to have someone tell us this how everyone should be doing it.
It’s really great to have someone tell us this how... (show quote)


LOL, yes, most people think that they are photographers but they are only shooters. Big difference.

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Mar 8, 2019 03:24:17   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
I suppose if my thought process was Auto I'd shoot in Auto. I'm pretty good when considering the settings for proper exposure for whatever it is I'm making an image of so I shoot in Manual Mode. I don't think there is a right way or wrong way. Make images however in the hell you wish.

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Mar 8, 2019 05:42:52   #
BebuLamar
 
LMurray wrote:
Of course all of those examples were true in the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's when most of us were shooting manual cameras ie focus manually, set aperature and speed manually. I started shooting auto in the 90's. Auto cameras have only been around for what 20 years or so?


35mm SLR with P mode was available in 1979. The Canon A-1.

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Mar 8, 2019 06:41:47   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Help me here I might have said this before. My Sony's a7s II now a6300, PXW X70 camcorder
al preview the shot in the live view. Maybe because I have worked in creative marketing etc
I can look at the LCD or EVF preview and judge what your video or photo will look> I do different
combinations of Manual. Setting the camera and then using only aperture manual setting. Or ISO.
Their is no exact exposure. Most likely you need to evaluate the image. With my camcorder
I change the gain and or aperture sometimes while shooting.
I like to give a group of shots have a look I have created.
Good luck.

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Mar 8, 2019 12:39:32   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
LOL, yes, most people think that they are photographers but they are only shooters. Big difference.


Yes, I know a lot of professional photographers that are very good at what they do and they all work differently and none of them say “this is the way you should do it”. Great, you shoot in manual, I used to do it all the time. It was the only option for me. I still do it sometimes in special situations, but I tend to use aperture priority most often and sometimes M with auto ISO. Shooting in manual only might give you an air of superiority in your own mind, but it doesn’t make you superior. Knowing all the technical aspects doesn’t make you a photographer. For all we know you might just be a technically adept shooter.

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Mar 8, 2019 20:10:02   #
scooter1 Loc: Yacolt, Wa.
 
DavidPine wrote:
I suppose if my thought process was Auto I'd shoot in Auto. I'm pretty good when considering the settings for proper exposure for whatever it is I'm making an image of so I shoot in Manual Mode. I don't think there is a right way or wrong way. Make images however in the hell you wish.



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Mar 9, 2019 16:34:04   #
ialvarez50
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Yes, I know a lot of professional photographers that are very good at what they do and they all work differently and none of them say “this is the way you should do it”. Great, you shoot in manual, I used to do it all the time. It was the only option for me. I still do it sometimes in special situations, but I tend to use aperture priority most often and sometimes M with auto ISO. Shooting in manual only might give you an air of superiority in your own mind, but it doesn’t make you superior. Knowing all the technical aspects doesn’t make you a photographer. For all we know you might just be a technically adept shooter.
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It’s interesting that you say that, of course you don't know who I am so, its okay. In fact I have been a professional photographer since 1982 when I open my first photo studio. I also started a school of photography as part of Triangle Camera in Chicago in the mid 80's, I have photograph for many corporate clients. I also have been teaching photography at Truman College in Chicago for the last 25 years. Do I feel superior to other people that only talk a lot in groups like this? Yes! Because I have photograph anything and everything for many years and I have the photos to prove it. What about you? Do you have photos to prove that you are a photographer? The fact is that now I have slowdown a bit and I have time to share what I know. If people with soft feelings feel offended, oh well, it just means that you take everything personal even when no one is talking directly to you.

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Mar 9, 2019 22:31:20   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
ialvarez50 wrote:
It’s interesting that you say that, of course you don't know who I am so, its okay. In fact I have been a professional photographer since 1982 when I open my first photo studio. I also started a school of photography as part of Triangle Camera in Chicago in the mid 80's, I have photograph for many corporate clients. I also have been teaching photography at Truman College in Chicago for the last 25 years. Do I feel superior to other people that only talk a lot in groups like this? Yes! Because I have photograph anything and everything for many years and I have the photos to prove it. What about you? Do you have photos to prove that you are a photographer? The fact is that now I have slowdown a bit and I have time to share what I know. If people with soft feelings feel offended, oh well, it just means that you take everything personal even when no one is talking directly to you.
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Yada, yada, yada ... that’s great, but many of the assertions you made are not signs of a good instructor. It’s like giving step by step instructions without imparting knowledge. No decent instructor I’ve had would say “this is the way you should do it” and give a list of settings. Those settings may be fine for a particular kind of shot, but don’t take into account what kind of shot you’re going for. I like to shoot musicians playing in clubs with ambient light. Your “this is how you should be doing it” wouldn’t work at all.
Also, if I was taking a college photography class I would expect the instructor to know the difference between “focus” and “focal”

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Mar 10, 2019 00:19:19   #
BebuLamar
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Yada, yada, yada ... that’s great, but many of the assertions you made are not signs of a good instructor. It’s like giving step by step instructions without imparting knowledge. No decent instructor I’ve had would say “this is the way you should do it” and give a list of settings. Those settings may be fine for a particular kind of shot, but don’t take into account what kind of shot you’re going for. I like to shoot musicians playing in clubs with ambient light. Your “this is how you should be doing it” wouldn’t work at all.
Also, if I was taking a college photography class I would expect the instructor to know the difference between “focus” and “focal”
Yada, yada, yada ... that’s great, but many of the... (show quote)


That's only your expectation. Reality is different.

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Mar 10, 2019 00:31:04   #
User ID
 
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Manual means "by hand". This is not just
rhetorical or academic. It means that any
control that is set MANUALLY will stay as
it's set, unchanged, until someone's hand
alters the setting. The "any control" in the
case of camera use would include:

aperture size
exposure duration
ISO speed
placement of focus plane
color rendering
contrast rendering
framing of scene/subject
moment-in-time of exposure

Everything on that list has been relegated
to non-manual control at some time on
some camera. Everything. But acoarst not
any singular camera that I can recall does
ALL those things. Some come very close !

Soooo, "manual shooting" means close to
nothing at all. "Manual control" only means
anything if a particular control is specified.
Any of the above listed controls can either
be manually controlled or can be machine
controlled.

Again, manual control means nothing will
change, unless it is changed "by hand".
HOW the hand decides what changes it
might make is a whole different story :-)

.

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Mar 10, 2019 09:54:19   #
srt101fan
 
User ID wrote:
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Manual means "by hand". This is not just
rhetorical or academic. It means that any
control that is set MANUALLY will stay as
it's set, unchanged, until someone's hand
alters the setting. The "any control" in the
case of camera use would include:

aperture size
exposure duration
ISO speed
placement of focus plane
color rendering
contrast rendering
framing of scene/subject
moment-in-time of exposure

Everything on that list has been relegated
to non-manual control at some time on
some camera. Everything. But acoarst not
any singular camera that I can recall does
ALL those things. Some come very close !

Soooo, "manual shooting" means close to
nothing at all. "Manual control" only means
anything if a particular control is specified.
Any of the above listed controls can either
be manually controlled or can be machine
controlled.

Again, manual control means nothing will
change, unless it is changed "by hand".
HOW the hand decides what changes it
might make is a whole different story :-)

.
` br br Manual means "by hand". T... (show quote)


The photographer always has "total control". It's via the shutter release button - if you like how the camera is set up, you push the button; if you don't like it, you change the settings...

I wish they would delete the word "manual" from the photography lexicon. But then the UHH conversations would be cut in half.....😕

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Mar 10, 2019 10:54:01   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
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Manual means "by hand". This is not just
rhetorical or academic. It means that any
control that is set MANUALLY will stay as
it's set, unchanged, until someone's hand
alters the setting. The "any control" in the
case of camera use would include:

aperture size
exposure duration
ISO speed
placement of focus plane
color rendering
contrast rendering
framing of scene/subject
moment-in-time of exposure

Everything on that list has been relegated
to non-manual control at some time on
some camera. Everything. But acoarst not
any singular camera that I can recall does
ALL those things. Some come very close !

Soooo, "manual shooting" means close to
nothing at all. "Manual control" only means
anything if a particular control is specified.
Any of the above listed controls can either
be manually controlled or can be machine
controlled.

Again, manual control means nothing will
change, unless it is changed "by hand".
HOW the hand decides what changes it
might make is a whole different story :-)

.
` br br Manual means "by hand". T... (show quote)


As I have always said. Manual is easier on the brain. It only requires some muscle power.

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