The left’s death wish for America (Page 5): Thanks for noticing that the thinking class need not always agree 100% and tolerate differences of opinion amongst each other. As Raygin...

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

thom w wrote:

Not according to momo. He says they are all pure evil. I tend to think he's turned around and has his left and right confused. It happens.

Thanks for noticing that the thinking class need not always agree 100% and tolerate differences of opinion amongst each other. As Raygin said, my 80% friend isn’t my 20% enemy.

Leftists OTOH are akin to the Borg in behavior. No differences in thought can be tolerated. Look what happened to Joe Lieberman. Look how Miss Nancy is punishing anyone who attempts to be bipartisan.

johnst1001a Loc: West Chester, Ohio

Spent a week in the hospital following brain surgery, Cost per night $20,000, sat least thats what the hospital billed. That is the problem, no way did my care cost that amount. They checked my vitals, gave me 3 meals, and helped me shower a few times, the Dr saw me once, and one one day was intensive care, th day following th surgery. It would be interesting to dig into how the hospitals come up with these high costs.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

johnst1001a wrote:

Spent a week in the hospital following brain surgery, Cost per night $20,000, sat least thats what the hospital billed. That is the problem, no way did my care cost that amount. They checked my vitals, gave me 3 meals, and helped me shower a few times, the Dr saw me once, and one one day was intensive care, th day following th surgery. It would be interesting to dig into how the hospitals come up with these high costs.

In Canada you never would have even seen the bill.

Rose42

Kraken wrote:

In Canada you never would have even seen the bill.

Or you'd have died waiting to be treated.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Rose42 wrote:

Or you'd have died waiting to be treated.

NOT true. Life threatening emergencies are treated immediately and I have seen for myself.

Rose42

Kraken wrote:

NOT true. Life threatening emergencies are treated immediately and I have seen for myself.

It is true. Some have to wait months for treatment and they go to the States so they get it quicker. Hospitals close to the border treat a lot of Canadians.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Rose42 wrote:

It is true. Some have to wait months for treatment and they go to the States so they get it quicker. Hospitals close to the border treat a lot of Canadians.

You are going to think what you want, I've been around for seven decades and know a lot of people and I have yet to run into ONE that has gone to the states for any type of treatment. But you living in the US have run into thousands of Canadians and a few Martians too that came over for medical treatment.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

johnst1001a wrote:

Spent a week in the hospital following brain surgery, Cost per night $20,000, sat least thats what the hospital billed. That is the problem, no way did my care cost that amount. They checked my vitals, gave me 3 meals, and helped me shower a few times, the Dr saw me once, and one one day was intensive care, th day following th surgery. It would be interesting to dig into how the hospitals come up with these high costs.

It's a matter of "Cost sharing". They bill the same amount regardless of the insurance co. Medicare pays the least. Private insurance pays more, and the supplemental carrier the rest. Or the patient pays it. So, in effect the private carriers pay more than they would have if medicare did not exist.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

johnst1001a wrote:

Spent a week in the hospital following brain surgery, Cost per night $20,000, sat least thats what the hospital billed. That is the problem, no way did my care cost that amount. They checked my vitals, gave me 3 meals, and helped me shower a few times, the Dr saw me once, and one one day was intensive care, th day following th surgery. It would be interesting to dig into how the hospitals come up with these high costs.

Did you have insurance?

Inspect the final bill, medical accounting is very bizarre due to the amount of people who won’t pay a dime if uninsured and won’t pay a deductible if they are.

As an example 5 years ago I spent 31 days in ICU.

The bill was $120K ... discounts to insurance company $108K ... my share $2K.

Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM

Kraken wrote:

Why don't you drag your assets out of the 60's and join the rest of the civilized world?

Nothing civilized about the great white north, krackhead. You guys steal our stuff whenever you really get sick!

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Kraken wrote:

You are going to think what you want, I've been around for seven decades and know a lot of people and I have yet to run into ONE that has gone to the states for any type of treatment. But you living in the US have run into thousands of Canadians and a few Martians too that came over for medical treatment.

Then you just don’t pay attention:

The Fraser Institute, a Canadian public policy think tank, estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014, a 25 percent jump from the roughly 41,838 who sought medical care abroad the previous year.

In citing those numbers in its 2015 report, " Leaving Canada for Medical Care," the organization said difficulties in obtaining timely medical care at home is, increasingly, leading Canadians to seek it abroad. "It is possible [they] may have left the country to avoid some of the adverse medical consequences of waiting for care, such as worsening of their condition, poorer outcomes following treatment, disability, or death," the report says. "Some may leave simply to avoid delay and to make a quicker return to normal life."

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/leaving-canada-for-medical-care-2015.pdf

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3874442

Rose42

Kraken wrote:

You are going to think what you want, I've been around for seven decades and know a lot of people and I have yet to run into ONE that has gone to the states for any type of treatment. But you living in the US have run into thousands of Canadians and a few Martians too that came over for medical treatment.

I don't "think" it, I "know" it. And I know people who've done it.

Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay

Rose42 wrote:

I don't "think" it, I "know" it. And I know people who've done it.

It maybe a good thing that I have never had money to throw around, about 21 years ago I had a very bad knee that was causing me a lot of grief and after xrays they said I needed a knee replacement and I was given an appointment to have it done, a wait of 3 months. After a couple of months my knee started to feel better and about a week before the operation I canceled it. 21 years later I am still walking perfectly with no pain.

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Kraken wrote:

It maybe a good thing that I have never had money ... (show quote)

How is that relevant other confirming what you earlier denied.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

boberic wrote:

Regarding the interstate highway as socialist is n... (show quote)

Bob, It's not mandatory to use universal healthcare. For instance, if you check online you'll see that you can buy AETNA insurance if you move to Canada. Thus, if you'd prefer, you could get your own insurance policy if we have Universal Healthcare. Why you would want to do this considering you wouldn't be excused by paying taxes, is beyond me.
But, I guess if you want to prove a point, an extra 13K a year out of your pocket for a policy you don't need is worth it.