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Feb 26, 2019 11:59:58   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
So is my 41 year old Omega Speedmaster.
--Bob

Longshadow wrote:

(And my 30+ year old Timex is still running.)

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Feb 26, 2019 12:09:18   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rmalarz wrote:
So is my 41 year old Omega Speedmaster.
--Bob


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Feb 26, 2019 13:12:59   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
We tend to squish history into a wibbly wobbly ball, and point at pieces.
Up to 40 years ago, You could lump Hasselblad, Leica and Rolex into the same group. Meticulous engineering, exquisite quality and absolute quality control made a big difference. A lot of people who couldn't afford a Leica bought an adapter and a Leica lens. In the days when many lenses had paper strips on their flanges to get them parallel to the film plane, Leicas were always right. The focusing was exact and their settings were accurate, in the days when "fudge factor" was a common term. The cameras were very good, the lenses were better.
Today: Cadillac is just another Chevy. Discounting a red dot, a few letters and a fancy font, is there any actual picture quality differences betwixt that Leica and Panasonic? For some people, owning a Leica is basking in the well being of owning a perceived precision machine of historical quality. For others, it's basking in the perceived impression when watching other people watch them with a Leica.
Sometimes it's like comparing apples, oranges and horsehoes. Sensors are not film. Before, I'd buy a box of 35mm film, shoot it thru a series of cameras, and I could compare like-to-like. Now, am I comparing a 2yr old vs 10yr old tech APS sensors, to a 5yr old FF? I never thought about focus points, megapixels, AA filters, menu options, scene modes, pixel density or raw vs jpg when I took out my '60s and '70s Nikons. Nor did my buddy with his Leica III.
Do you want an excellent Leica film camera? Buy a Leica rangefinder.
Do you want an excellent Leica digital camera? Buy the Panasonic.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:21:30   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
Harry0 wrote:
We tend to squish history into a wibbly wobbly ball, and point at pieces.
Up to 40 years ago, You could lump Hasselblad, Leica and Rolex into the same group. Meticulous engineering, exquisite quality and absolute quality control made a big difference. A lot of people who couldn't afford a Leica bought an adapter and a Leica lens. In the days when many lenses had paper strips on their flanges to get them parallel to the film plane, Leicas were always right. The focusing was exact and their settings were accurate, in the days when "fudge factor" was a common term. The cameras were very good, the lenses were better.
Today: Cadillac is just another Chevy. Discounting a red dot, a few letters and a fancy font, is there any actual picture quality differences betwixt that Leica and Panasonic? For some people, owning a Leica is basking in the well being of owning a perceived precision machine of historical quality. For others, it's basking in the perceived impression when watching other people watch them with a Leica.
Sometimes it's like comparing apples, oranges and horsehoes. Sensors are not film. Before, I'd buy a box of 35mm film, shoot it thru a series of cameras, and I could compare like-to-like. Now, am I comparing a 2yr old vs 10yr old tech APS sensors, to a 5yr old FF? I never thought about focus points, megapixels, AA filters, menu options, scene modes, pixel density or raw vs jpg when I took out my '60s and '70s Nikons. Nor did my buddy with his Leica III.
Do you want an excellent Leica film camera? Buy a Leica rangefinder.
Do you want an excellent Leica digital camera? Buy the Panasonic.
We tend to squish history into a wibbly wobbly bal... (show quote)


I agree but the one BIG ELEPHANT in the room you missed was not "what is the picture quality difference?" but "what is the shooting experience like?

That's definitely part of it and why I use certain cameras when really, you can't tell the picture quality from a Nikon, Canon, Olympus, etc.

It's an inseparable part of ownership...not just the end product but HOW you got there.

I also develop and print my own film in the darkroom...why? Because I like that part of the process too and I also like the results better than digi-prints.

Otherwise...I agree.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:31:08   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
This is the Leica I would love to own. https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/LEICA-M-MONOCHROM

But I need to find a Sugarmoma or win the lottery.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:32:10   #
rpavich Loc: West Virginia
 
ORpilot wrote:
This is the Leica I would love to own. https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/LEICA-M-MONOCHROM

But I need to find a Sungarmoma or win the lottery.


Sungarmoma?

That sounds painful...have you tried putting some ointment on it? :)

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Feb 26, 2019 13:48:59   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
I;ve used lots of kisses but it hasn't helped.

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Feb 26, 2019 13:51:13   #
ORpilot Loc: Prineville, Or
 
Just cought the SP error. Thanks

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Feb 26, 2019 14:26:32   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
rpavich wrote:
I agree but the one BIG ELEPHANT in the room you missed was not "what is the picture quality difference?" but "what is the shooting experience like? .

I mostly agree. Even tho the D3200 and the D7100 allegedly take the same shots, the D7100 felt like magic. The D3200 was so-so; I liked the D80 better. Give me some money, and I'll use the DF.
But we're people, with preferences. Habits. Training and practice. Muscle memory.
I don't use Sony's, but with a few months practice it'd be as second nature as a Nikon D_thing.

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Feb 26, 2019 14:47:41   #
Flash Gordon
 
Thanks to all who replied. When I asked the question I was not asking for purchase advice but, merely asking why or why not much conversation concerning Leica cameras. My early foray into photography was in college. My first camera was a Pentax H1A. Standard 50mm lens. I then added a 135mm lens. My next camera was a Mamiya Secor 500. I just had to have thru the lens metering. My acquired skills landed me a job with the college’s information services. From there I moved on to three years with NASA contractors at the NASA test facility in Las Cruces, New Mexico. From then on 35mm was personal use only. The camera of choice for that work was either a 4x5 speed graphic for still work or 16mm high speed motion for engine tests. Most fun job I’ve ever had. Government contract work back then could be a bit iffy. Went back to school and got my degree in accounting. Retired CPA getting back into photography. Back then I, as most of my peers, lusted for Nikon, Hasselblad and Leica. My current equipment consists of a Canon T5i, with the kit lenses 18-55mm and 55-250mm. I’ve also added Canon’s 50mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.8. I’m happy learning this new technology. WOW What a learning curve. If I’d known about UHH a couple of years ago I may have made different choices in the addition lenses. I’m currently happy with what I have. However, if I should win the mega millions lottery Leica and Hasselblad may get additional consideration.
Thanks again.
Flash Gordon aka Paul
Punta Gorda, FL

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Feb 26, 2019 20:42:34   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Flash Gordon wrote:
Most of the cameras discussed on this forum are Nikon, Canon, Sony and others. I don’t recall any mention of the Leica brand. The cost of Leica’s seem to be comparable to the heigher end Nikon, Canon, Sony and others. I’m curious. Do any of the UHH members have and/or use the Leica brand? If so, why or why not. Is it the cost compared with other brands? Is it features compared with other brands? What say the group?
Flash Gordon
Punta Gorda, FL


I recently purchased a Leica M10 and a Summarit-M 50mm f/2.4 lens. Not because I needed it, but because I had wanted a Leica for a long time and I am now in a position where I could afford one. I also bought an adapter so I can use my Nikon lenses that have an aperture ring on it.

It is a Rangefinder and is much different than a DSLR.

It offers Auto Exposure only to the point of Aperture Priority, but is designed well enough to make manual exposure painless.
It is manual focus. While it offers "Exposure Aids" in both the viewfinder and live view, they are just that, focus aids to help with the manual focus.

I have been playing with it for a while and hope to be comfortable enough with it to share some photos soon.

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Feb 27, 2019 05:33:55   #
markjay
 
Tom Daniels wrote:
The Leica's are more of nostalgia. A rangefinder camera with a great lens. You compare my RX100 4
with its features as a very small well made camera with the low end Leica's and Sony wins.
I would like their monochrome B&W camera but it is 7k. They are making a couple of $1200 cameras
made in China not Germany.The Leica's have or had better tonality and 3D Pop. In some cases they
are the Panasonic Lumixs rebranded on their lower end.


If that is your view, you should wear a timex instead of a rolex, and you should live in a trailer home instead of a nice house - because they both provide a roof over your head.

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Feb 27, 2019 06:24:34   #
Flickwet Loc: NEOhio
 
I owned a made in Germany X-1, liked it didn’t love it, knowledgeable people would notice it.
Took nice pics, no stabilization, 10 meg if I recall, fixed 23mm f2.8.
Sold it for $650, bought Olympus EP-1 with lenses for $175, bought a 15mm Leica lens for $400, still way ahead

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Feb 27, 2019 06:35:08   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Flash Gordon wrote:
Most of the cameras discussed on this forum are Nikon, Canon, Sony and others. I don’t recall any mention of the Leica brand. The cost of Leica’s seem to be comparable to the heigher end Nikon, Canon, Sony and others. I’m curious. Do any of the UHH members have and/or use the Leica brand? If so, why or why not. Is it the cost compared with other brands? Is it features compared with other brands? What say the group?
Flash Gordon
Punta Gorda, FL


A camera is only as good as it's lenses. And Leica makes some of the BEST lenses available. Leica helped make 35mm camera's successful. German engineering continues to shine with Leica digital camera's. But what continues is the lens quality. Owned a Leica III single stroke with 50 and 135 lenses. They generated some of the best photo's I have ever taken. That said, I do not own any Leica today only because I am a wildlife photographer and that is not a strong suit for Leica.

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Feb 27, 2019 06:46:19   #
Julian Loc: Sarasota, FL
 
We buy Ferrari automobiles, Rolex watches, Mont Blanc pens... and Leica cameras because we can. Can’t think of another reason.😀

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