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Feb 23, 2019 09:01:14   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I never have a photo up for six years. Shooting sports the photo opportunities change every few months and so do the photos that I hang up in my computer room. I can get away with using 3rd. party ink refills with no problem at all. Am I the only one who can get away with this?

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Feb 23, 2019 09:04:12   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
We buy the best camera and best equipment we can afford. For what reason? to take the best pictures we can. THEN WHAT? Do we say great picture and never look at it again? We may want to save it, show it, Print it. If we print it , for what reason? Why is it when we finally have a picture we think that much of do we buy cheep ink? ( to uses on an also expensive printer? OH PS we need good paper for the cheep ink.)

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Feb 23, 2019 09:36:09   #
StevenG Loc: Long Island, NY
 
MT Shooter wrote:
My refill ink test is now at 6 years. The pic on the left was printed on an HP Printer (dye ink) using Costco refilled ink cartridges. The pic on the right was the same printer using factory ink cartridges. Same Costco (Kirkland) paper for both.
These prints have hung in the same spot for 6 years this month, NOT exposed to direct sunlight, but in a well lit room. This is why I never use refilled cartridges in my printers.
(Notice the ink color under the Scotch tape on the prints as well, both show protection from fading by the tape!)
Both looked pretty darned nice when hung!
My refill ink test is now at 6 years. The pic on t... (show quote)


Great post! As the saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words.
Steve

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Feb 23, 2019 09:52:34   #
ncribble Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
I don't know about something reported in 2012, but MT I appreciate you bringing this subject back to life. Impressive Gracias

Norm

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Feb 23, 2019 10:26:37   #
BartHx
 
I used to re-ink dot matrix ribbons and refill cartridges when the only choice was black, but I gave that up when color came in. Yes, it costs more, but I prefer the results.

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Feb 23, 2019 10:54:28   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Refilled cartridges are a waste of money. Brand new I think are better. I tried refilled cartridges once, they leaked and ruined an otherwise good printer
I just wish this damn new little cartridges weren't so expensive. After the third refill it's time to buy a new printer. I feel sorry for our landfills

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Feb 23, 2019 11:20:10   #
pahtspix
 
Much has changed over the years, and most dye-based re-loaded inks will not pass the test over the long haul..However, when it comes to Pigment inks there's a few 2nd source suppliers of archival based truly color- matched..The absolute BEST I've found with absolutely incredible support is from http://www.inkjetcarts.us . I've been using their refillable carts and ink which are an un-canny match to for the OEM INKS for my ancient Epson R2400, with some super-serious savings, and great non-fade results during South window exposure testing I have done..They have coverage for most Epson and Canon printers, and I highly recommend them!..the best I've used in over 10 years!!..One needs to really check out the source they will be buying from, as I did with inkjetcarts.us !!

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Feb 23, 2019 11:28:38   #
WayneL Loc: Baltimore Md
 
MT Shooter wrote:
My refill ink test is now at 6 years. The pic on the left was printed on an HP Printer (dye ink) using Costco refilled ink cartridges. The pic on the right was the same printer using factory ink cartridges. Same Costco (Kirkland) paper for both.
These prints have hung in the same spot for 6 years this month, NOT exposed to direct sunlight, but in a well lit room. This is why I never use refilled cartridges in my printers.
(Notice the ink color under the Scotch tape on the prints as well, both show protection from fading by the tape!)
Both looked pretty darned nice when hung!
My refill ink test is now at 6 years. The pic on t... (show quote)


I guess it depends on what brand ink you use. I have prints done with none Canon ink that are 7-8 years old and look like the day I printed them. Not exposed to sunlight but to normal house lights and I use Canon paper

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Feb 23, 2019 11:40:05   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
DaveD65 wrote:
I started the test. I think I hit a small bump. I an a retired printing ink chemist (37 years) fading was a major problem all the time. WE used an instrument called a fadometer to that would accellerate long term fade in only days or weeks. My bump is that my printers are printing a little different; the canon ts5020 w/ canon ink is printing a little warmer and the the ts9020 uses an additional gray ink in its process (LD generic ink). I will show the monitor view, a side-by-side version and prints from each printer. I check the fade faster I will place them in a eastern facing window for most of the direct sunlight. I also have each print in an envelope put away for the standard. When ever I see a major change I will post the results. I will post photos from today for all to see the differences that I noted above.
I started the test. I think I hit a small bump. ... (show quote)


My cousin says he does not remember signing a release for this. He is fairly recognizable, even from the back. It's the pointy tuft on top. He says it is just using the right hair gel.

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Feb 23, 2019 12:30:52   #
Rickoshay Loc: Southern California
 
RichardSM wrote:
I don’t use refilled ink cartridges at all, I tried them years ago they performed very poorly lesson learned.


Yep. Same lesson learned.

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Feb 23, 2019 13:07:10   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
Nowadays I only use refilled ink cartridges. Other than lower cost, I notice no difference. Absolutely none. I suppose it depends on exactly where you get your cartridges refilled. I take mine to OfficeMax.

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Feb 23, 2019 16:45:56   #
nikonuser750 Loc: Monroe, LA
 
bsprague wrote:
Has anyone else seen Carters plan for a 5 month photo expedition?

https://al-ca-ne-com.webs.com/


Oh, the Alabama - California - New England one?

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Feb 23, 2019 16:53:17   #
gchapell
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Nowadays I only use refilled ink cartridges. Other than lower cost, I notice no difference. Absolutely none. I suppose it depends on exactly where you get your cartridges refilled. I take mine to OfficeMax.


Once upon a time pigmented inks were where archival life was at. Epson raised the bar with their ultrachrome inks with a proclaimed 200 yr life. Before that it was a dirty little question which no one asked about dye based link life. Wilhelm has cast a needed light on the issue. With that said, there are some very inexpensive and very good ink suppliers. Depends what you are going to use it for. The daily stuff can't justify the expense of mfr. inks in my opinion. Maybe an office printer + a dedicated tuned and balanced photo printer?

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Feb 23, 2019 20:01:49   #
Pstrykacz
 
How about the quality of their (Costco) printing service? I was thinking about ordering from them a nice, large format (to be framed) of one of my panoramas, since they have large format printers.
I could write the file on a flash drive and give it to them to print it...

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Feb 23, 2019 20:33:24   #
User ID
 
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larry wright wrote:

It is IMPORTANT for anyone TO KNOW who wants
a print of a picture to keep, YOU MUST use DYE
INK and not refillable water based inks.
.........


All printer ink is water based. Water is the medium
that carries the dyes, or carries the pigments if the
ink is pigment ink. IOW there are no other solvents
used for inkjets.

I'm familiar with why some want pigment ink rather
than dye ink. Dyes are fugitive but pigments are not.
But what is this reference about "water based" being
different from "dye based" ? Dye is a coloring agent,
water is a medium. While this hits me as the classic
"apples and oranges" situation, I'm expecting there's
some kind of user jargon thing that makes sense of
it. But what IS the explanation of why "water" and
"dye" are spoken of as if they are opposites ?

.

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