wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Chris T wrote:
WD - the EM1x is a very far cry from the EOS 1Dx II … you're comparing oranges and apples, my friend.
Sensor wise, yes. Performance wise, no.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
User ID wrote:
Maybe not apples to oranges ... how about
oranges to tangerines ? So the sensor size
is verrrrry different. But are these not two
somewhat similar action oriented offerings ?
Seems [to me] that they both go out and
do the same job more or less equally well.
Acoarst I don't use either of those "close
competitors" so I'm ready to hear from
anyone who uses either. Someone using
BOTH is waaaaay to much to hope for :-)
And around here, it's prolly also too much
to hope for a comparison that ignores the
spec's and deals only in user experience
and results, things that actually matter !
.
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Well, actually, USER ID - I'd say that pretty much depends on whatever the folks involved in this discussion - want to do, eh? … If they'd like to put up reviews and/or specs sheets on the EM-1x - they are quite welcome to do so. Pictures, would also be welcomed - provided they're actually SHOT with the EM1x … if not, I don't think they're very relevant to the discussion ….
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
tdekany wrote:
https://www.kelleylcox.com
Tom … does Kelly actually SHOOT with the Olympus EM-1x - or no?
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
wdross wrote:
Sensor wise, yes. Performance wise, no.
Well, WD … a sensor has two very specific elements which define it - a) size b) res (MP) … but there are a few other factors, as well …. like total amount of focus points, etc., etc.
Performance - on the other hand - is a pretty mixed bag. One immediately points to FPS - but, there are so many other factors, as well - which go to make up performance - like, how quickly the user is able to adjust controls, plus - AF speed, plus AE - how good that is … and, so much else.
The Canon EOS 1Dx Mk. II is, probably - one of the best performers, out there - and does all of that (14fps) with a FF sensor - which is a pretty mean feat. The Olympus may be quicker - just looking at FPS - but, I don't think it comes anywhere NEAR the 1Dx II in ALL those other elements.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
burkphoto wrote:
I don't think the EM-1X has anything to do with the future of Panasonic. (Maybe it does for Olympus, but I don't see much of a downside.) I also don't think Micro 4/3 is in trouble, just because full frame mirrorless is taking off.
The "killer apps" for Micro 4/3 are *total kit weight savings,* Panasonic's video, and lens selection and adaptability. With over 100 native lenses available from several excellent manufacturers, configuring a small, light, travel-worthy kit is easy. With many different manufacturers making various adapters and focal length reducers (AKA SpeedBoosters), hundreds more lenses can be adapted to Micro 4/3 bodies in a pinch.
All of the camera companies have gone through, or are going through, a period of "right sizing" in response to market shifts. We may see some mergers and acquisitions in the future, but I don't see anything truly disappearing. After all, the medium format digital market is tiny, but it is still there. And the film camera market is tiny, with few models available, but it's still around. Nikon still sells the F6...
I don't think the EM-1X has anything to do with th... (
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Nikon also still sells another film camera, too … I think it's a newer version of the FM - no?
And Canon still has a film camera, too … EOS 1 - is it?
The Medium Format camera market may be tiny, but it's not going anywhere, anytime, soon. Fuji - for one - just introduced its SECOND MF Digital MILC - in the GFX 50R - a rangefinder complement to the much-heralded GFX 50S … plus Pentax is still going strong with their inexpensive (in comparison to all other Digital MF DSLRs) - the 645Z … plus Phase One seems to be holding its own against Leica with its OWN MF Digital DSLR, and, of course - the entire range of the Hasselblad line, Bill …
Chris T wrote:
Nikon also still sells another film camera, too … I think it's a newer version of the FM - no?
And Canon still has a film camera, too … EOS 1 - is it?
The Medium Format camera market may be tiny, but it's not going anywhere, anytime, soon. Fuji - for one - just introduced its SECOND MF Digital MILC - in the GFS 50R - a rangefinder complement to the much-heralded GFX 50S … plus Pentax is still going strong with their inexpensive (in comparison to all other Digital MF DSLRs) - the 645Z … plus Phase One seems to be holding its own against Leica with its OWN FF Digital DSLR, and, of course - the entire range of the Hasselblad line, Bill …
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Fujifilm is rumored to have a 100MP medium format in the works...
https://photorumors.com/2019/02/11/additional-information-on-the-upcoming-fujifilm-gfx-100-medium-format-mirrorless-camera/The Nikon FM-10 is still made.
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
FM-10 is it? … Thanks, Bill … I knew they still made a film camera for beginners / students … F6 is for Pros.
I've read about the 100MP Sensor Fuji will incorporate into a newer version of the GFX model …
It certainly looks to be a show-stopper, doesn't it? … And if it sells for roughly the same price point (unlikely) as the GFX 50S … it will surely put the $50,000 100MP Hassy to shame - won't it???
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Chris T wrote:
Well, WD … a sensor has two very specific elements which define it - a) size b) res (MP) … but there are a few other factors, as well …. like total amount of focus points, etc., etc.
Performance - on the other hand - is a pretty mixed bag. One immediately points to FPS - but, there are so many other factors, as well - which go to make up performance - like, how quickly the user is able to adjust controls, plus - AF speed, plus AE - how good that is … and, so much else.
The Canon EOS 1Dx Mk. II is, probably - one of the best performers, out there - and does all of that (14fps) with a FF sensor - which is a pretty mean feat. The Olympus may be quicker - just looking at FPS - but, I don't think it comes anywhere NEAR the 1Dx II in ALL those other elements.
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Sorry, you are wrong. Both the E-M1mrII and the E-M1X are 18fps with shutter, tracking focus, and full exposure. Both can shoot 20mp RAW + JPEG at 60fps with the shutter locked. Both can do Pro Capture of 30 frames before the pressing of the shutter. But the E-M1mrII doesn't have the focusing AI or the more sensitive sensor.
From what I read (only reviews; I use Olympus MFT but can't afford the new camera), it's just the other way around, i.e., they improved more than they screwed up: Dual processor, better AF, the best image stabilization of ANY camera, and (for now limited but likely to improve when they release firmwares) object and face recognition AI. Thus Olympus, once again, demonstrates that it is among the top envelope-pushing and innovative companies in the business, which may in no small part be a main motivation for their producing this model.
Current users seem to be happy with it and are getting some great shots.
As to what this camera tells us about the future of MFT, and despite what some naysayers and other frizzy haired guys say, it's all hand-waiving and crystal ball reading, IMO, and only time will tell.
It is not a good match for me. It is too big and heavy and about the size of my Nikon 810 that I sold 2 years ago when I bought the EM1M2 that I love. I sure wish that Olympus would come up with an EM1M3. The day I hear of that, I would happily pre order one
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
wdross wrote:
Sorry, you are wrong. Both the E-M1mrII and the E-M1X are 18fps with shutter, tracking focus, and full exposure. Both can shoot 20mp RAW + JPEG at 60fps with the shutter locked. Both can do Pro Capture of 30 frames before the pressing of the shutter. But the E-M1mrII doesn't have the focusing AI or the more sensitive sensor.
Wrong about what, WD? … Was talking about Performance, in general. How could I be wrong about that?
Regardless - those are impressive numbers, even for the EM-1 Mk. II …
Explain what you mean about "focusing AI" - would you, please?
Chris T
Loc: from England across the pond to New England
Jeannie88 wrote:
It is not a good match for me. It is too big and heavy and about the size of my Nikon 810 that I sold 2 years ago when I bought the EM1M2 that I love. I sure wish that Olympus would come up with an EM1M3. The day I hear of that, I would happily pre order one
Jeannie … Don't Look, Now … but, I think the EM1x IS the EM 1 Mk. 3 …
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