EM-1X - is this the Bee's Knees of ALL MFTs, or - did Olympus blow it? (Page 2): Tom - you can't SERIOUSLY consider the EM-1x to be in the same camp as the D5 and the 1Dx II

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

tdekany wrote:

Olympus always tries to push the envelope. Those who are using it are loving it.

And that is all the info you want to listen to. It isn’t for everyone, but neither is the D5 or the 1Dx.

Tom - you can't SERIOUSLY consider the EM-1x to be in the same camp as the D5 and the 1Dx II - can you?

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

tdekany wrote:

So many experts on this unavailable camera. Pros are using it, but the camera isn’t yet available until the end of the month.

Oh, yes, Tom? … Then, what was THIS lil tidbit about? - "Those who are using it are loving it." ???

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Low Budget Dave wrote:

The only thing I dislike about it is the spare battery case needs to be removable, for people like me. There are plenty of shoots where I only need 100 to 150 shots, and one battery is more than enough.

Making the battery case non-removable, to me, is a design flaw.

It could also be considered a magnificent foresight, Dave … since the frame count's so low, per battery!

rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA

gwilliams6 wrote:

Too big, way too expensive for any micro 4/3rds camera. Sports shooters need better low light/high ISO performance. You won't be able to get that with this camera. Sorry nice try, but sports shooters aren't paying for this. I got a NEW FF 20fps Sony A9 and with current rebates from Sony, only paid a few hundred more than this Olympus. You make the comparison !!

This may shock you, but not every photographer is interested in shooting sports.

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

burkphoto wrote:

It isn't out yet. The few reviews on line are from... (show quote)

So, now - THIS - from a dyed-in-the-wool MFT user, Bill … doesn't spell nice - for the future - does it?

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

User ID wrote:

...I'm still participating in what I laff at. I do... (show quote)

Great answer. Panasonic definitely has a user interface and ergonomics lead over both Olympus and Sony. They manage to cram a ton of capabilities into a simple menu format and lots of buttons in mostly the right places.

The good news is, we have lots of great camera choices for lots of different uses. The trick is to find what meets our individually unique needs.

User ID

Chris T wrote:

... the EM1x is a very far cry from the EOS 1Dx II
....you're comparing oranges and apples ....

Maybe not apples to oranges ... how about
oranges to tangerines ? So the sensor size
is verrrrry different. But are these not two
somewhat similar action oriented offerings ?

Seems [to me] that they both go out and
do the same job more or less equally well.
Acoarst I don't use either of those "close
competitors" so I'm ready to hear from
anyone who uses either. Someone using
BOTH is waaaaay to much to hope for :-)

And around here, it's prolly also too much
to hope for a comparison that ignores the
spec's and deals only in user experience
and results, things that actually matter !

.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

Chris T wrote:

So, now - THIS - from a dyed-in-the-wool MFT user, Bill … doesn't spell nice - for the future - does it?

I don't think the EM-1X has anything to do with the future of Panasonic. (Maybe it does for Olympus, but I don't see much of a downside.) I also don't think Micro 4/3 is in trouble, just because full frame mirrorless is taking off.

The "killer apps" for Micro 4/3 are *total kit weight savings,* Panasonic's video, and lens selection and adaptability. With over 100 native lenses available from several excellent manufacturers, configuring a small, light, travel-worthy kit is easy. With many different manufacturers making various adapters and focal length reducers (AKA SpeedBoosters), hundreds more lenses can be adapted to Micro 4/3 bodies in a pinch.

All of the camera companies have gone through, or are going through, a period of "right sizing" in response to market shifts. We may see some mergers and acquisitions in the future, but I don't see anything truly disappearing. After all, the medium format digital market is tiny, but it is still there. And the film camera market is tiny, with few models available, but it's still around. Nikon still sells the F6...

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

AntonioReyna wrote:

I had Olympus film cameras, but have never liked the layout of their digital cameras, or their styling. I have not checked out the new camera, but if costs close to full frame Sony or Canon cameras, why bother? You can try to convince yourself all day long, but the 4/3 sensor does not measure up to full frame in the end, although it is fine for most shooting. Pros will not be using it. Go to any big event and pretty much all you see are the big Canon white lenses, some Nikons and a few Sonys.

Pros do use it. For some it is not the only tool at their disposal. But for others, it is their only tool. And some of these pros even have Pulitzer Prizes. Do you think they would use a tool that would not be capable of garnering them another Pulitzer Prize?

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Chris T wrote:

Oh, yes, Tom? … Then, what was THIS lil tidbit about? - "Those who are using it are loving it." ???

Olympus, like any other camera company, gives out cameras to professional photographers who shoot Olympus already. Join the Olympus EM1 mark2 EM1x FB group and you can see some fantastic shots already. One of them is Kelley Cox, she shoots sports.

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wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

Low Budget Dave wrote:

The only thing I dislike about it is the spare battery case needs to be removable, for people like me. There are plenty of shoots where I only need 100 to 150 shots, and one battery is more than enough.

Making the battery case non-removable, to me, is a design flaw.

You mean the "battery grip" should have been made removable. The battery tray is removable in the E-M1X. The E-M1 mrII will still be kept for the foreseeable future and that does have a removable battery grip.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Low Budget Dave wrote:

The only thing I dislike about it is the spare battery case needs to be removable, for people like me. There are plenty of shoots where I only need 100 to 150 shots, and one battery is more than enough.

Making the battery case non-removable, to me, is a design flaw.

Same design as the D5 and the 1Dx. Did canikon make a mistake?

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

Chris T wrote:

Oh, yes, Tom? … Then, what was THIS lil tidbit about? - "Those who are using it are loving it." ???

tdekany is right. How do you think they test how good it is for sports? You have to put it in the hands of a true sports photographer and get their feedback. Then you use that feedback to finish your camera design. It requires a non-disclosure agreement, but the sports photographer gets to play with the latest "toy" before it is available to anyone else. I know I would sign such an agreement if approached by Olympus. Play with the new toys and not tell anyone - a really "hard" decision!

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

Chris T wrote:

Tom - you can't SERIOUSLY consider the EM-1x to be in the same camp as the D5 and the 1Dx II - can you?

You are right. The EOS-1DX can only shoot 15fps with no Pro Capture and the E-M1X can shoot 18fps with shutter, fully tracking, and exposure, 60fps with the shutter locked up, and provide you with 30 frames before you pressed the shutter just in case you were a little slow on the trigger. Capturing the moment is what sports is all about. One has to pay $2500 more for less camera than the E-M1X?

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

burkphoto wrote:

It isn't out yet. The few reviews on line are from... (show quote)

Since I don't shoot sport or very fast action that much, I will not be buying one anytime soon. Would I like to have one? Sure - for free! Not going to happen anytime soon.