GOP Platform Plans Constitutional amendment prohibiting Abortions, No exception for incest or Rape (Page 12): I agree. The real point is, if you believe when a sperm enters the egg you...

cetw Loc: Miami FL

I agree. The real point is, if you believe when a sperm enters the egg you have life, then the word abortion is another word for infanticide. Life is life, whether convenient or not. This is from a Democrat and female.

greymule Loc: Colorado

cetw wrote:

I agree. The real point is, if you believe when a sperm enters the egg you have life, then the word abortion is another word for infanticide. Life is life, whether convenient or not. This is from a Democrat and female.

Welcome to the discussion. IMHO, a zygote is not an infant. An infant is defined as-

in·fant   [in-fuhnt] Show IPA
noun
1.
a child during the earliest period of its life, especially before he or she can walk; baby.
2.
Law . a person who is not of full age, especially one who has not reached the age of 18 years; a minor.
3.
a beginner, as in experience or learning; novice: The new candidate is a political infant.
4.
anything in the first stage of existence or progress.

Now one can use the "earliest stages of life" to support your argument, but it's a stretch IMHO.

cetw Loc: Miami FL

You are splitting hairs with definitions. Life is life (including a Zygote) unless, as in abortion, it is taken.

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

There are multiple definitions for when life begins. There's the law, there's medical practice (when does a fetus become viable outside the womb?), and there's religion. The law varies from place to place, medical practice has altered the viability of a baby outside the womb, and different religions have widely different views on the subject. I don't think anybody is FOR abortion, nor do I think that abortion is a form of racial genocide.

It is a troubling issue, no matter what your beliefs.

greymule Loc: Colorado

RMM wrote:

There are multiple definitions for when life begin... (show quote)

Boy is it ever. I'm done for now. da mule is checking out of this discussion. It's become too circular for this old guy. I suggest everyone believe what they decide to believe and act accordingly. As they say, "To each his own."

johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR

I really agree with Ronald Reagan's statement that if we don't know when life begins, we shouldn't take the chance. Please, no knee jerk reactions about Ronald Reagan, deal with the value of the statement.

docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado

cetw wrote:

You are splitting hairs with definitions. Life is life (including a Zygote) unless, as in abortion, it is taken.

then how come we freeze Zygotes but not two year olds?

handgunner Loc: Windsor Locks, Connecticut

Maybe we should adopt China's "One Child Policy"?
http://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2012/06/consequences-one-child-policy

tschmath Loc: Los Angeles

docrob wrote:

cetw wrote:

You are splitting hairs with definitions. Life is life (including a Zygote) unless, as in abortion, it is taken.

then how come we freeze Zygotes but not two year olds?

That is one of the most interesting arguments I've heard about this topic in a long time. Never having looked at it that way, it sure puts an interesting spin on the idea of life. Well done.

The only thing I'm not sure of is whether we actually freeze zygotes. I know we freeze sperm, and I know we freeze eggs. But I'm not sure that we freeze fertilized zygotes. Anybody out there have an answer for this?

dtcracer

docrob wrote:

dtcracer wrote:

photosbysexton wrote:

docrob wrote:

photosbysexton wrote:

So let's punish the unborn child for that teenagers CHOICE? Yeah. Good call.

I remember when I was young, my grandfather once told me that "you choose your parents". I imagined then a young baby sorting through photo after photo carefully deciding, "those will be my parents". Imagine the horror when that vacuum and scraper came into this temporary 9 month home 7 months early. Imagine what that baby is thinking now.

FYI, I am the product of a 15 year old girl being raped by 5 monsters just one block from home. I may not be on the same intillectual level of your precious Barry Soteros or any of your other gods, but at least I had the chance and most that know me, adore me and respect my successes.

That teenage girl isn't being punished for her choices, she is being held responsible and accountable for her actions as we all should be. You call it punishment all you want.. I will continue to believe that when you are held responsible, you are not enslaved, you are empowered.

docrob wrote:

quote=Zenith701 You are right about one thing. I... (show quote)

So let's punish the unborn child for that teenager... (show quote)

so your saying that you chose to be created via an act of violent gang rape?

Man, you got some heavy karma!

I don't know where or how Barry Soteros or any other gods entered this discussion....maybe that came through the ether?

Curious to whom those five monsters were held accountable too and for what consequences and responsibilities they were made to accept?

quote=photosbysexton So let's punish the unborn c... (show quote)

The Obama reference was meant as an example, the way some of you hold him in such high regards. "I may not be . . ."

How you became so cruel in your responses is a question for another time.

We won't get into the details, but my family is from "old" Detroit. The law never got them, but I'm positive that they are being punished through eternity.

My point on choosing my parents would have been long before the rape. Again my imagination would have seen these people as upstanding and someone worth my love and devotion. This, in spite of their behavior after I had chosen.

quote=docrob quote=photosbysexton So let's punis... (show quote)

Please overlook docrob. He preaches compassion for people who do wrong, yet he cannot practice compassion himself. This is his normal attitude toward people who do not agree with is immoral view on life. He is typical of people who believe there are no consequences for their actions in the afterlife, because he does not believe in an afterlife, therefore people should be allowed to go wild while they are alive.

quote=photosbysexton quote=docrob quote=photosb... (show quote)

actually compassion starts with one self - then spreads to others. It's a universal energy - its not localized to any one religious sect or belief such as believe in heaven or hell. Which, reminds me, why should I or anyone have compassion for the dead if in fact they are in heaven then they are with their Lord who will take care of them as He tends his sheep. No, sorry dude, compassion is for the living.

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I was talking about the lack of compassion that you displayed for photosbysexton when she stated she was the product of a rape. You then stated she has heavy karma and that her opinion must be from the ether, that was a heartless, compassionless statement toward A LIVING BEING! I agree that compassion is not just for any one religious sect or belief. All people should have compassion for their fellow humans, including the unborn children who were murdered before having a chance to be functioning members of society. And I agree, I do not have compassion for the dead, because if they have lived their lives by Gods way, then they are in a better place. If they have chosen to live their lives with their backs turned on God, believing that anything is acceptable, then God will turn His back on them, and let their souls burn in the eternal pit of Hell. The only comfort that comes from a childs life being cut short before birth is that the child has not had the opportunity to be corrupted by the world.

dtcracer

docrob wrote:

cetw wrote:

You are splitting hairs with definitions. Life is life (including a Zygote) unless, as in abortion, it is taken.

then how come we freeze Zygotes but not two year olds?

Just because something is done, doesn't make it right. We abort babies, that doesn't make it right.

bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona

So lets see.
DemocRATs are pro-choice, mass birth control dissemination, eugenics and abortion

RepublICANs are pro-life, sensible birth control, responsibility and abortion only certain circumstances

Pretty soon no more DemocRATs!

Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.

bvm wrote:

So lets see.
DemocRATs are pro-choice, mass birth control dissemination, eugenics and abortion

RepublICANs are pro-life, sensible birth control, responsibility and abortion only certain circumstances

Pretty soon no more DemocRATs!

That is pretty extreme. I know Democrats who are pro-life and Republicans who are pro-choice. Maybe you should try to widen your circle of friends so that you can get to know and understand people who think differently than you.

photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN