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Aug 24, 2012 08:44:45   #
dtcracer
 
docrob wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
I guess what bothers me most about this topic is the choice itself. Are you choosing your body over the life of a child? It has been proven that the heart beats just 19 days after conception. Most women don't even know they are pregnant by then.

And then the other thing; how do they feel later in life? Especially after they've given birth to another child. How does one explain to this child that they would have had a sibling had they not taken this child's life?

No, I really don't believe that the gov't should have their hands in this decision, as they don't belong in many other aspects of our lives, ie; financial support, business, health care, etc. So, I guess I could be considered pro choice, but would always choose life.

Another thing I don't understand; why are most pro-choicers against capital punishment? Seems a bit backwards to me. A child never given the chance to live vs an animal whom has committed murders and rapes. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Whether produced by a brutal crime or a loving couple. I along with MOST that know me are happy that she chose life. May she rest in peace and GOD BLESS HER SOUL.
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Why would or should someone need to tell another about such a very personal and difficult choice? A friend sure. A lover maybe. But why feel compelled to tell a child "oh by the way baby you would have had a sister only i killed it." Probably not the most appropriate and certainly not a necessary "confession" to make is it?
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If this is how you feel, then you have admitted that you know that it is wrong to abort a child. If there was nothing wrong with it, then why would it not be appropriate or necessary? Why would you be ashamed? Why keep it a secret from the person that you would have the most intense pesonal connection with?

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Aug 24, 2012 09:03:58   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
bvm wrote:
Well let's see.
According to Oblame-O, women like "Julia" ( which is another of his racist subliminals, otherwise he would have named her Julie) are incapable of taking care of themselves without the paternalism of the government.

Yeah, he's like his pimp friends ( who engage in todays slavery) and that's were he wants woman to be. Now don't get me wrong there'll be enough Madams to take up any slack ( Valerie G. or Debbie Wasserman Schultz).

I think there are enough smart American women WHOSE VOTE CANNOT BE BOUGHT FOR $360 WORTH OF BIRTH CONTROL PILLS. Woman are a lot smarter than that. Women are smart persons but then there are some that fall for smooth talkers like him.

Mark my words, Sandra Fluke, ( who goes to Georgetown University law school- $60,000 per year, which she gets for free ) saw the light and hopes she'll become a big deal in the DemocRAT party.

If you look at history, morals or the lack of them is like a pendulum, I think people like her, were born 50 years to late and it may start to swing back. She will have missed the boat and have to endure the ride back to common sense.
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This world, and particularly this Country is sick. Very sick.

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Aug 24, 2012 09:05:20   #
Gnslngr
 
photosbysexton wrote:
Anyone that believed for one second that Keynes' economic theories would help our economy has been proven wrong several times over the past 90 years. The gov't spending money to create a stimulus only costs the taxpayer more, therefore slowing the economy even more. Why anyone would quote someone that supports those theories as an intellectual is beyond me.


Nope. Dead wrong. Government spending is the only way out of a recession - and if you don't believe me, ask Ronnie Reagan. Spent our way out of HIS recession.

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Aug 24, 2012 10:23:48   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
dtcracer wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
docrob wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
So let's punish the unborn child for that teenagers CHOICE? Yeah. Good call.

I remember when I was young, my grandfather once told me that "you choose your parents". I imagined then a young baby sorting through photo after photo carefully deciding, "those will be my parents". Imagine the horror when that vacuum and scraper came into this temporary 9 month home 7 months early. Imagine what that baby is thinking now.

FYI, I am the product of a 15 year old girl being raped by 5 monsters just one block from home. I may not be on the same intillectual level of your precious Barry Soteros or any of your other gods, but at least I had the chance and most that know me, adore me and respect my successes.

That teenage girl isn't being punished for her choices, she is being held responsible and accountable for her actions as we all should be. You call it punishment all you want.. I will continue to believe that when you are held responsible, you are not enslaved, you are empowered.

docrob wrote:
Zenith701 wrote:
You are right about one thing. It is foolish to hope that teens will follow a path of abstinence when their own parents are cheating. I guess if we make stupid decisions we can't expect our kids to do better, so we should make it easy for them to be irresponsible without paying the consequences of their actions. No there's a plan


No, but we should not punish our children for being children nor should we punish them for being human.

You are right - we ALL make stupid decisions but not all of us are punished for them. What kind of love is it that says to a 17 yr old girl that she must now raise this child - more or less on her own - and that for her one night of passion and pleasure and the sheer joy of being young and in love she must now walk a very different path than she envisioned and she has no choice because she SINNED!

That's not loving - thats cruelty and sadism. Let him who has no sin cast the first stone.
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so your saying that you chose to be created via an act of violent gang rape?

Man, you got some heavy karma!

I don't know where or how Barry Soteros or any other gods entered this discussion....maybe that came through the ether?

Curious to whom those five monsters were held accountable too and for what consequences and responsibilities they were made to accept?
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The Obama reference was meant as an example, the way some of you hold him in such high regards. "I may not be . . ."

How you became so cruel in your responses is a question for another time.

We won't get into the details, but my family is from "old" Detroit. The law never got them, but I'm positive that they are being punished through eternity.

My point on choosing my parents would have been long before the rape. Again my imagination would have seen these people as upstanding and someone worth my love and devotion. This, in spite of their behavior after I had chosen.
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Please overlook docrob. He preaches compassion for people who do wrong, yet he cannot practice compassion himself. This is his normal attitude toward people who do not agree with is immoral view on life. He is typical of people who believe there are no consequences for their actions in the afterlife, because he does not believe in an afterlife, therefore people should be allowed to go wild while they are alive.
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actually compassion starts with one self - then spreads to others. It's a universal energy - its not localized to any one religious sect or belief such as believe in heaven or hell. Which, reminds me, why should I or anyone have compassion for the dead if in fact they are in heaven then they are with their Lord who will take care of them as He tends his sheep. No, sorry dude, compassion is for the living.

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Aug 24, 2012 10:28:08   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
photosbysexton wrote:
docrob wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
I also think that we should make it fair. How about we allow that child to abort the parents when they reach a certain age? You libs are all about fairness, right?


Children can petition the court for emancipation from their parents.


Not the same. Sorry.


a dime and a quarter are not the same and yet they are both coins.......
perfection and absolute fairness only exist on TV

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Aug 24, 2012 10:42:43   #
docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado
 
At least you don't have to apply logic to your statements. Life is filled with specific events in which we have to judge our decisions as good, bad or indifferent.

DocRob? Doctor of what? I don't know any M.D. or PHD of Science that would operate under the absurd conditions you dictate. You state that we can't dictate decisions to women about their bodies (even though pregnancy, in the high majority of cases, is the result of several chains of decisions, already) and yet you want to dictate what I think. Doctor of what? I would hazard a guess that I have delivered a good many more children than you, even though I have never been pregnant. I would guess that I have worked on a good many more bi-lateral amputations than you, even though this has never happened to me. I would guess that I have lifted many more patients out of wrecked vehicles than you, even though this has never happened to me.
Should I have told my oncologist she can't treat me because she has never had stage 4 colon cancer?
Doctor of what, philosophy? If so, I am sure you are familiar with the philosophers motto, "Will you have fries with that?".
I think I will join DJMills, whose wisdom and humor I have long enjoyed on this site and no longer participate with the name callers and subliterates.[/quote]

No doubt if you worked as a nurse or an EMR tech or were in one of several recent wars of choice you have lifted more people out of wrecked cars - delivered more babies and assisted in bi-lateral amputations - thanks! Now what the hell does that have to do with allowing half the population access to medical care?

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Aug 24, 2012 11:03:56   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
A childs life, any child, is a terrible thing to waste. There is always a couple somewhere that would do anything to raise that child. Think about it.

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Aug 24, 2012 11:16:43   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
rrforster12 wrote:
A childs life, any child, is a terrible thing to waste. There is always a couple somewhere that would do anything to raise that child. Think about it.


The decision to undergo an abortion is a very difficult decision to ponder. No one is "Pro-Abortion". That's nonsense. I'm pretty sure most everyone who is not totally dysfunctional is "Pro-Life."

However, it's one of the most intensely personal decisions anyone can make. It's up to the individual. Adoption is but one choice and involves many other issues of an intensely personal nature.

Why not mind your own business. How can you possibly make such choices for others? That's all I'm saying. It's no one's choice but those involved. Period. End of Story.

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Aug 24, 2012 12:27:17   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
Hey, its my opinion. Is the forum not for expressing it ? Your Rudeness is not appreciated. If you are unable to accept other's thoughts graciously you don't belong on a public forum.

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Aug 24, 2012 12:36:52   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
rrforster12 wrote:
Hey, its my opinion. Is the forum not for expressing it ? Your Rudeness is not appreciated. If you are unable to accept other's thoughts graciously you don't belong on a public forum.


No, no, no. You totally misunderstand. All I am saying is that women's reproductive rights and rights to their own health care are their business. No one else's. Your opinion is as valid as mine. No opinion is right or wrong- only facts can be right or wrong.

I actually appreciate your opinion being expressed.

It is interesting that mostly men are debating this issue. Men, especially, should not be making choices about women's reproductive rights.

I am sorry if you thought I was being rude. Sometimes I can be too emphatic.

Peace.

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Aug 24, 2012 12:57:12   #
rrforster12 Loc: Leesburg Florida
 
And Peace be with you !
I am just saying someone needs to speak for the unborn. Some of us believe they are people too. I'm not looking for an argument friend, just saying what this 75 year old father believes. I'll just leave it there.

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Aug 24, 2012 15:11:51   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
Gnslngr wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
Anyone that believed for one second that Keynes' economic theories would help our economy has been proven wrong several times over the past 90 years. The gov't spending money to create a stimulus only costs the taxpayer more, therefore slowing the economy even more. Why anyone would quote someone that supports those theories as an intellectual is beyond me.


Nope. Dead wrong. Government spending is the only way out of a recession - and if you don't believe me, ask Ronnie Reagan. Spent our way out of HIS recession.
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Dont have to ask Mr Reagan. I was part of his cuts. He cut taxes and spending both. Can you say Graham Rudman act? Keynes and anyone that follow his theories are completely off the mark. Besides, how have the Obama stimulis plans panned out? Nada, everyone is paying or will be paying for this ignorance for decades and centuries if this clown is re-elected.

How did a discussion over rumors written in the Huffington rag turn into a debate on economics? My bad. Sorry!

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Aug 24, 2012 15:18:17   #
photosbysexton Loc: Knoxville, TN
 
docrob wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
docrob wrote:
photosbysexton wrote:
I also think that we should make it fair. How about we allow that child to abort the parents when they reach a certain age? You libs are all about fairness, right?


Children can petition the court for emancipation from their parents.


Not the same. Sorry.


a dime and a quarter are not the same and yet they are both coins.......
perfection and absolute fairness only exist on TV


You are comparing one of God's greatest creations to a piece of metal now? Thanks Doc. Good day sir. Sexton out!

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Aug 24, 2012 15:34:16   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
The latest on this...

http://news.yahoo.com/another-abortion-falsehood-obama-truth-team-182409782.html

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Aug 24, 2012 15:37:27   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
I went to Ita bashi ku, Japan. In the area they have the second largest reclining Buddah. To the right of it I noticed something different. There were hundreds of 2.5 inch high little buddahs with little red scarfs on them. I asked my japanese friend what they were. She said they represent the babies that had been aborted. Some of the women were crying because they had sent their baby into the "void" before they had had a normal life. They are well cared for because the represent the babies that had met that fate.

In America , this inconvenience is felt with indifference. A lot of people use it as birth control , go figure!

It is typical eugenics of the progressive left, act like it's nothing!

The propose bill would not cover the cost or the abortion itself IF IT IS STATUTORY RAPE. That means your stupid 18 year old son got his 14 year old girlfriend pregnant. Than that son has to pay for the abortion or YOU do! Oh no, let the nation bear the cost of my son's mistake. Why shoud I pay for it. If the baby was born he'd have to pay child support and in some states the grand parents become responsible for the child support. Check it out and then kick your son in the ass!

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