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Jan 4, 2019 08:47:40   #
Indi Loc: L. I., NY, Palm Beach Cty when it's cold.
 
Is it possible there’s a blockage after the pump that would cause the pump to overload and trip the breaker?

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Jan 4, 2019 09:28:49   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
From Jerry’s original post on the subject - did you read that one? https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-570822-1.html

I don’t need to settle down - I’m advocating good consumer awareness and business practice. There are WIDE disparities in pricing and quality of work from multiple repair companies (be glad to post some examples if you like), and as a consumer, it’s up to you to look out for yourself. What part of asking for the defective parts to inspect and not paying until the work is satisafactorily completed do you disagree with?
From Jerry’s original post on the subject - did yo... (show quote)


Sounds appropriate to me...

If you have a long term client relationship with the company, they should do an honest job and charge ONLY for what works.

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Jan 4, 2019 09:47:50   #
Curtis_Lowe Loc: Georgia
 
Also breakers are know to also go bad

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Jan 4, 2019 09:51:12   #
skeeth
 
Your well people are dumb asses.

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Jan 4, 2019 10:28:38   #
Country Boy Loc: Beckley, WV
 
I agree with others, use an ohm meter to verify the wire. Disconnect it at both ends and make sure ends don't touch anything. Check each wire against the others to see if there is any path or short and if this does not indicate a problem, connect one meter lead to a ground and with the other, touch each wire to see if one of the wires is grounded. This is easier than purchasing new wire to lay on the ground.

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Jan 4, 2019 10:33:32   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
They ran new wire from the pump to the underground wire that goes to the house.

If they replaced the pump, and wire from pump to surface, then the problem was either not the pump or wire, or they replaced the pump or wire with a bad pump or wire. Easy check would be to connect a new wire, extension perhaps, from the house to the pump. If that fixes it, then you need to replace the wire from the house, and there was nothing wrong with the pump. Also, the breaker might be bad, so check for that as well.

Personally, I think the plumber should have verified there was no problem from the breaker to the well before replacing the pump...

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Jan 4, 2019 10:33:53   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
The first thing I would do is replace the breaker. All it takes to take out a breaker is a lightning strike or old age.

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Jan 4, 2019 10:44:07   #
skeeth
 
Sue em.

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Jan 4, 2019 10:55:05   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Leon S wrote:
The first thing I would do is replace the breaker. All it takes to take out a breaker is a lightning strike or old age.


Unless it’s a ground fault breaker, it’s not expensive. Just make ABSOLUTELY sure the main breaker in the panel is off, or better yet, pull the meter or switch off the disconnect if there is one, and be VERY careful working inside the panel as the lugs to the main breaker (or fuses) are still “hot” with the main breaker off. Even then, I like to check the voltage on the busbars to the breakers before working in the box. I’m sure you already know all this, and maybe I sound over-cautious, but the transformer (pole pig) feeding your house can supply huge amounts of power (many hundreds of amps at 240 volts) into a fault before its breaker trips, and a slip with a screwdriver or a hand can be catastrophic. I always hate working in a hot panel if required. It’s not hard to change a breaker, but if you don’t feel comfortable with what you’re doing, don’t do it - call an electrician.

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Jan 4, 2019 10:57:30   #
old man 88 Loc: Palmview, TX when not on road
 
Why would the wiring need to be in conduit? If it is type UF you don't need to use conduit.
Like most of the posting on this site 95 percent of them should just read and keep their option to their self, as they don't know what they are talking about.
A ohm's meter will tell any Wiring problem that you have if used properly.
I have been a electric contractor for 42 years with anywhere from 8 to 10 men working for me, I think I would have some ideal of how to find the problem.



sourdough58 wrote:
The wire from your home to the pump should have been inside a conduit (by code), if after the wire is tested and proved to be shorted they should be able to pull a new wire, sometimes they need to dig next to the well casing because of the sharp angle of the wire going from underground and running up the side of the well casing. There is a old saying it can apply to anything man-made, "Electrical devices are man-made and man-made devices are prone to failure" so what I am saying is I would check the pressure switch and the circuit breaker as well I have seen these all fail, On another note if your pump is 20 yrs old or whatever in your area is considered old it can depend on water conditions in your area like iron in your water will suck the life out of your pump you may want to change the pump anyway labor prices being what they are if you may be "do" for a new pump soon anyway. one last thing to check if it is your pump being bad involves ( after the pump is pulled) is using rope and a weight to check the depth of your well, my well that I had drilled started out at 135 ft with 5 gal per min, about 20 yrs later I changed my pump and checked my well depth it was 110 ft over the years sand has filtered in and up to my pump and wrecked my pump, around here a new pump is held up off the bottom of the well about 20-30 ft. to allow for this, I wish you "well"
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Jan 4, 2019 11:07:26   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
broncomaniac wrote:
Jerry, It would be inexpensive to buy a roll of UF and lay it without burying it to test the conductivity issue. Just a thought.


Exactly! Prove their latest theory before spending big!

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Jan 4, 2019 11:24:38   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
GoldwingerTX wrote:
Why would the wiring need to be in conduit? If it is type UF you don't need to use conduit.
Like most of the posting on this site 95 percent of them should just read and keep their option to their self, as they don't know what they are talking about.
A ohm's meter will tell any Wiring problem that you have if used properly.
I have been a electric contractor for 42 years with anywhere from 8 to 10 men working for me, I think I would have some ideal of how to find the problem.


When I do underground lay out I use conduit when possible. If I want to pull more power in the future, its a lot easier. It adds more protection against electrocution for idiots digging holes in their yard. Conduit is cheap. Its the best protection against rodents trying to eat the cable. Its good protection against punctures from people driving steel rods in the ground.

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Jan 4, 2019 11:27:03   #
gazoobie Loc: Lombard, Illinois
 
Old circuit breakers can go bad. Do you have an extra one to replace it with before all the other suggestions.

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Jan 4, 2019 11:27:37   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
TriX wrote:
Unless it’s a ground fault breaker, it’s not expensive. Just make ABSOLUTELY sure the main breaker in the panel is off, or better yet, pull the meter or switch off the disconnect if there is one, and be VERY careful working inside the panel as the lugs to the main breaker (or fuses) are still “hot” with the main breaker off. Even then, I like to check the voltage on the busbars to the breakers before working in the box. I’m sure you already know all this, and maybe I sound over-cautious, but the transformer (pole pig) feeding your house can supply huge amounts of power (many hundreds of amps at 240 volts) into a fault before its breaker trips, and a slip with a screwdriver or a hand can be catastrophic. I always hate working in a hot panel if required. It’s not hard to change a breaker, but if you don’t feel comfortable with what you’re doing, don’t do it - call an electrician.
Unless it’s a ground fault breaker, it’s not expen... (show quote)


Your right on regarding the danger of working on a box if you don't know what your doing.

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Jan 4, 2019 12:02:20   #
turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield
 
GoldwingerTX wrote:
Turn the breaker to the pump off at the house and use an ohmmeter to see if you got continuity between any of the wires at the pressure switch. If you have there is a short in the under ground wiring.
You can also do this on the pump wires hook meter to one wire on pump and the other to ground, if you have a reading on meter you have a short.
This will answer where the wiring is good or not.


Agree I would use a megger

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