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Aug 20, 2012 13:29:08   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Obama's no different. He's been lying as well. Go to fact check if you don't believe me...

Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


You are right. Your statements are right on. I was watching on CNN this morning when Romney and Ryan were in N.H. campaigning. They stated one lie after another about the President and his policies. You listen to the two very carefully and they speak a good talk about what they will do but after listening to them they don't bring any how to's forward on subjects they bring up. Just we will do this and that but don't elaborate on how they will do the things they speak of. Just a bunch of double talking politicians who think they can fool the public. I hope people will wake up and realize they have no real sound solutions only bold faced lies to bring forward.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)
Obama's no different. He's been lying as well. Go ... (show quote)


You know you right wingers have casterated all kinds of lies about the President that whatever you do say from now forward just does not and won't make a hills of beans. You've squandered your opportunities to move forward but you chose to get into the gutter politics, that won't fly this time around. You and your Tea Party folks are going to have to take the back seat. Your nonsense just won't cut it anymore.

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Aug 20, 2012 13:36:18   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
You need to get your head out of your ASS & smell the roses...You persist in besmirching anyone who dares to disagree with you. Just shows how entrenched you are in your leftist views...& btw, I'm not a Republican, but an Independent who sees the BS on both sides...

Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Obama's no different. He's been lying as well. Go to fact check if you don't believe me...

Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


You are right. Your statements are right on. I was watching on CNN this morning when Romney and Ryan were in N.H. campaigning. They stated one lie after another about the President and his policies. You listen to the two very carefully and they speak a good talk about what they will do but after listening to them they don't bring any how to's forward on subjects they bring up. Just we will do this and that but don't elaborate on how they will do the things they speak of. Just a bunch of double talking politicians who think they can fool the public. I hope people will wake up and realize they have no real sound solutions only bold faced lies to bring forward.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)
Obama's no different. He's been lying as well. Go ... (show quote)


You know you right wingers have casterated all kinds of lies about the President that whatever you do say from now forward just does not and won't make a hills of beans. You've squandered your opportunities to move forward but you chose to get into the gutter politics, that won't fly this time around. You and your Tea Party folks are going to have to take the back seat. Your nonsense just won't cut it anymore.
quote=Screamin Scott Obama's no different. He's b... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2012 13:40:11   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
You know you right wingers have casterated all kinds of lies about the President that whatever you do say from now forward just does not and won't make a hills of beans. You've squandered your opportunities to move forward but you chose to get into the gutter politics, that won't fly this time around. You and your Tea Party folks are going to have to take the back seat. Your nonsense just won't cut it anymore.[/quote]

My my my, such venom.

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Aug 20, 2012 14:15:35   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
"But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term".

The stimulus have not improved the economy. It is an excuse to fleece our national treasure.
How come the same financial institutions who brought us here, those same institutions we rescued, made huge profits?
If there is going to be any stimulus, it most be to rescue us upside down mortgage holders, not financial institutions.

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Aug 20, 2012 14:27:59   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Sarge - I think a better idea would be to ban any product that was not made in the U.S. and was not certified in keeping with our Polution and worker Safety Laws. Do not say that we could lower our polution standards do we want to have our rivers like theirs. I know OSHA has a lot of dumb rules but lets fix the dumb ones and also keep workers safe. China dosn't even follow the rules we have now llike lead in paint on kids toys. And by the way the workers in China have state insurance and their emplyers do not pay for that. - Dave

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Aug 20, 2012 14:28:35   #
dtcracer
 
PhotoGator wrote:
"But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term".

The stimulus have not improved the economy. It is an excuse to fleece our national treasure.
How come the same financial institutions who brought us here, those same institutions we rescued, made huge profits?
If there is going to be any stimulus, it most be to rescue us upside down mortgage holders, not financial institutions.


I agree. Following the bail out of the auto industry GM recorded record profits, yet sales had not increased enough to justify said profits. Another question: The oil industry raises the price of gas and oil crying that there isn't enough oil available, or that they are afraid the oil supply will dwindle due to strife in the middle east, yet they too are recording record profits. How is that acceptable? If they are making enough money to increase their profits to record numbers, why can't they lower the prices of oil and gas so the consumer can afford to live and still purchase gas? Its not like they would lose any money if their profits are at a record high! It's time that our government stepped in and took care of the American people like they are supposed to, not take care of the corporations. And we all know that Obama is all for the corporations, not the little guy. That is why he is paying big money to the corporations in bailouts.

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Aug 20, 2012 14:28:55   #
DougW Loc: SoCal
 
Stimulus; same hole Japans been in since the 90s.

Insanity: trying the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.

Amazing that libs always complain that their programs didn't work because it just needs more money.

Dems controlled Congress from 2006 till 2010. 2008 to 2010 they had the president also. They still control the Senate. Clinton had good results after republicans ran the house and the Senate.
Now you have an idealist in office determined to take us down the road to being like the broke ass European countries.

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Aug 20, 2012 14:39:47   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
GM & Chrysler still have not fully paid back their amounts owed. As for the Oil industry, while they made record profits (on an extremely thin profit margin) due to sales being what they were, the Feds made a helluva lot more with the taxes on those sales, but how come I don't hear anyone griping about those profits, just the big, bad, Oil companies.The biggest source of the cost of oil are the speculators on Wall street, That's where we need more oversight. That & we need more domestic production & refining capabilities. Of course, that will never fly with the left. They would rather we just pay more than to ever increase our domestic supplies.

dtcracer wrote:
PhotoGator wrote:
"But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term".

The stimulus have not improved the economy. It is an excuse to fleece our national treasure.
How come the same financial institutions who brought us here, those same institutions we rescued, made huge profits?
If there is going to be any stimulus, it most be to rescue us upside down mortgage holders, not financial institutions.


I agree. Following the bail out of the auto industry GM recorded record profits, yet sales had not increased enough to justify said profits. Another question: The oil industry raises the price of gas and oil crying that there isn't enough oil available, or that they are afraid the oil supply will dwindle due to strife in the middle east, yet they too are recording record profits. How is that acceptable? If they are making enough money to increase their profits to record numbers, why can't they lower the prices of oil and gas so the consumer can afford to live and still purchase gas? Its not like they would lose any money if their profits are at a record high! It's time that our government stepped in and took care of the American people like they are supposed to, not take care of the corporations. And we all know that Obama is all for the corporations, not the little guy. That is why he is paying big money to the corporations in bailouts.
quote=PhotoGator "But Biden's analysis -- th... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2012 15:03:30   #
PhotoGator Loc: Florida
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Sarge - I think a better idea would be to ban any product that was not made in the U.S. and was not certified in keeping with our Polution and worker Safety Laws. Do not say that we could lower our polution standards do we want to have our rivers like theirs. I know OSHA has a lot of dumb rules but lets fix the dumb ones and also keep workers safe. China dosn't even follow the rules we have now llike lead in paint on kids toys. And by the way the workers in China have state insurance and their emplyers do not pay for that. - Dave
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


I agree with your assessment. I will start unskilled workers at $10/hr then give them $1/hr annual raise.

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Aug 20, 2012 15:18:00   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
WHo reads that trash from the Huffington Post. Talk about "Double Think". (that's when you believe in a lie, even when you know it's a lie)

Oblame-o and his minions wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the ass!

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Aug 20, 2012 15:24:49   #
CanonJC
 
the_imaginist wrote:
Tschmath,

A+ on the article quote.


Ditto!

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Aug 20, 2012 15:27:45   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Nothing to do with him being Black, everything to do with him being a Democrat...Stop being a bigot & racist !


tschmath wrote:
What do any of these replies except by KitLens have to do with the fact that Ryan is a lying hypocrite? As usual, when a rightie can't answer a charge, they just change the subject.

In today's LA Times there was yet another article about what a lying hypocrite he is. Seems he was very active in a bipartisan effort trying to get bailout money when his hometown GM factory was in trouble, even flying to meet with company reps when they were being offered tax incentives and other goodies, before Obama's election. He voted for $14 billion dollars in emergency federal loans in the "waning" days of the Bush administration. Then, magically on the day after the election, Ryan, along with every other Republican, changed his stance on every single Republican idea that Obama agreed with.

Amazing. A black Democrat takes office and now every one of your prior positions sucks. An entire party full of verifiable lying hypocrites. An entire party with no spine and no integrity, taken over by zealots hell-bent on destroying this country. God help us.
What do any of these replies except by KitLens hav... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2012 15:33:20   #
CanonJC
 
dtcracer wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


The Huffington Post is a left wing propaganda agency. It is equivalent to Fox News.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)


Dead wrong! It is frankly true.

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Aug 20, 2012 15:35:38   #
CanonJC
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Like Obama hasn't flipped?...Gay Marriage, borrowing from the Chinese...The list goes on. They all do it. Not worthy of a debate about it

Kit Lens wrote:
Sarge,
That's just one of the things that Ryan has flipped on. I think as all these things come out, some of his supporters will be quite surprised.


Junior Bush did borrow $trillion from China.

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Aug 20, 2012 15:38:32   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Never claimed he didn't, but what does that have to do with the discussion? They all flip flop & go back on their words. Fact remains, all politicians are liars & to blindly follow any one of them is an act of stupidity...


CanonJC wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Like Obama hasn't flipped?...Gay Marriage, borrowing from the Chinese...The list goes on. They all do it. Not worthy of a debate about it

Kit Lens wrote:
Sarge,
That's just one of the things that Ryan has flipped on. I think as all these things come out, some of his supporters will be quite surprised.


Junior Bush did borrow $trillion from China.

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