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Aug 20, 2012 15:45:41   #
dtcracer
 
CanonJC wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


The Huffington Post is a left wing propaganda agency. It is equivalent to Fox News.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)


Dead wrong! It is frankly true.
quote=dtcracer quote=tschmath From the Huffingto... (show quote)


...and so is Fox News.

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Aug 20, 2012 15:49:38   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
Never claimed he didn't, but what does that have to do with the discussion? They all flip flop & go back on their words. Fact remains, all politicians are liars & to blindly follow any one of them is an act of stupidity...


CanonJC wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Like Obama hasn't flipped?...Gay Marriage, borrowing from the Chinese...The list goes on. They all do it. Not worthy of a debate about it

Kit Lens wrote:
Sarge,
That's just one of the things that Ryan has flipped on. I think as all these things come out, some of his supporters will be quite surprised.


Junior Bush did borrow $trillion from China.
Never claimed he didn't, but what does that have t... (show quote)


I think the label for Romney is: We don't need a "Tax DODGING Liar Romney as President of these United States"

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Aug 20, 2012 15:50:58   #
dtcracer
 
dtcracer wrote:
CanonJC wrote:
dtcracer wrote:
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)


The Huffington Post is a left wing propaganda agency. It is equivalent to Fox News.
quote=tschmath From the Huffington Post August 19... (show quote)


Dead wrong! It is frankly true.
quote=dtcracer quote=tschmath From the Huffingto... (show quote)


...and so is Fox News.
quote=CanonJC quote=dtcracer quote=tschmath Fro... (show quote)



There are no news agencies that are not either left wing or right wing politically aligned. Huffington Post is left wing propaganda, all you have to do is read it to know that. Of course, we all know that liberals are blind to any lies from the left. As far as they are concerned it is the Gods honest truth.

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Aug 20, 2012 15:53:52   #
dtcracer
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Never claimed he didn't, but what does that have to do with the discussion? They all flip flop & go back on their words. Fact remains, all politicians are liars & to blindly follow any one of them is an act of stupidity...


CanonJC wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
Like Obama hasn't flipped?...Gay Marriage, borrowing from the Chinese...The list goes on. They all do it. Not worthy of a debate about it

Kit Lens wrote:
Sarge,
That's just one of the things that Ryan has flipped on. I think as all these things come out, some of his supporters will be quite surprised.


Junior Bush did borrow $trillion from China.
Never claimed he didn't, but what does that have t... (show quote)


I think the label for Romney is: We don't need a "Tax DODGING Liar Romney as President of these United States"
quote=Screamin Scott Never claimed he didn't, but... (show quote)



That could be almost as bad as a draft dodging liar, or a birth certificate/school records dodging liar!

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Aug 20, 2012 15:56:39   #
colo43 Loc: Eastern Plains of Colorado
 
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Like your thoughts Sarge and i am sure we can add many more to the list.

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Aug 20, 2012 16:05:49   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
tschmath wrote:
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012:

WASHINGTON - When Congressman Paul Ryan has been asked the past few years about the value of stimulus to the sagging economy and the nation's jobless, the Wisconsin Republican has dismissed it as meaningless, and dubbed it "sugar-high economics." But that's when President Obama is pushing for the spending. When it was President George W. Bush arguing for more stimulus to boost a slow economy in the early 2000s, Ryan's economic analysis was entirely different.

"What we're trying to accomplish today with the passage of this third stimulus package is to create jobs and help the unemployed," Ryan said, in comments unearthed by MSNBC's "Up with Chris Hayes" and provided to HuffPost. "What we're trying to accomplish is to pass the kinds of legislation that when they've passed in the past have grown the economy and gotten people back to work."
Video of the comments will be aired at 8:00 a.m. Sunday on MSNBC.

"In recessions unemployment lags on well after a recovery has taken place," Ryan accurately noted in 2002.

Conservatives have routinely mocked Vice President Joe Biden for arguing that in order to reduce the deficit in the long run, the government needs to spend more now; that sentiment is lampooned in a recent pro-Republican campaign ad. But Biden's analysis -- that the government needs to juice the economy to promote growth, or else revenue will fall long term -- is one that Ryan himself articulated cogently back when the GOP was urging stimulus. Ryan called such stimulus a "constructive answer" worked out on "a bipartisan basis." Opponents of stimulus, Ryan said, ought to "drop the demagoguery."

"We've got to get the engine of economic growth growing again because we now know, because of recession, we don't have the revenues that we wanted to, we don't have the revenues we need, to fix Medicare, to fix Social Security, to fix these issues. We've got to get Americans back to work. Then the surpluses come back, then the jobs come back. That is the constructive answer we're trying to accomplish here on, yes, a bipartisan basis. I urge members to drop the demagoguery and to pass this bill to help us work together to get the American people back to work and help those people who've lost their jobs," Ryan said.

Bush's stimulus, which included an extension of jobless benefits and resulted in checks being mailed to millions of Americans, was signed in March 2002. "We have a lot of laid off workers, and more layoffs are occurring," the congressman continued. "And we know, as a historical fact, that even if our economy begins to slowly recover, unemployment is going to linger on and on well after that recovery takes place. What we have been trying to do starting in October and into December and now is to try and get people back to work. The things we're trying to pass in this bill are the time-tested, proven, bipartisan solutions to get businesses to stop laying off people, to hire people back, and to help those people who have lost their jobs."

While Obama has been in office, Ryan has voted against extending unemployment benefits and against helping laid-off workers pay for health insurance by subsidizing COBRA payments. Such actions are difficult to square with 2002's Paul Ryan. "It's more than just giving someone an unemployment check," he said then. "It's also helping those people with their health insurance while they've lost their jobs and more important than just that unemployment check, it's to do what we can to give people a paycheck."
From the Huffington Post August 19th 2012: br br ... (show quote)



Your source receives W-2's from the white house,how can you trust it?????...

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Aug 20, 2012 16:05:55   #
alann Loc: Virginia
 
[quote=colo43]
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.

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Aug 20, 2012 16:13:51   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=alann]
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?

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Aug 20, 2012 16:23:44   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability to Congress or the American people


[quote=Hunter Lou 1947]
alann wrote:
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?
quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the e... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2012 16:26:53   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=Screamin Scott]His appointment of Czar's with no accountability to Congress or the American people


Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
alann wrote:
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?
quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the e... (show quote)
quote=alann quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's st... (show quote)


Come On Man, let's get this in the open. What do you mean?

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Aug 20, 2012 16:36:57   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
www.judicialwatch.org%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2F2011%2Fczar-report-09152011.pdf&ei=S5wyUOPHGoim8gTM-YCgBg&usg=AFQjCNHECcgLx_9FzUHsK0AGl5mIt-5pDw&sig2=pG3bFtshAEwZkWd2_T3hrQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CGQQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.judicialwatch.org%2Ffiles%2Fdocuments%2F2011%2Fczar-report-09152011.pdf&ei=S5wyUOPHGoim8gTM-YCgBg&usg=AFQjCNHECcgLx_9FzUHsK0AGl5mIt-5pDw&sig2=pG3bFtshAEwZkWd2_T3hrQ

[quote=Hunter Lou 1947]
Screamin Scott wrote:
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability to Congress or the American people


Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
alann wrote:
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?
quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the e... (show quote)
quote=alann quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's st... (show quote)


Come On Man, let's get this in the open. What do you mean?
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability t... (show quote)

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Aug 20, 2012 17:07:10   #
bvm Loc: Glendale, Arizona
 
Like NEWSWEEK said on it's cover "hit the road, Barack"
If he hasn't effected your life, You must be dead.
Oblame-o has blamed all his follies on every thing from the tsunami to global warming.He has No plan, his czars are stymied, how can we make him sound normal without a teleprompter.
And like the Pied Piper all the democRATs are following him blindly.

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Aug 20, 2012 18:14:15   #
alann Loc: Virginia
 
I can tell you one MAJOR thing that has happened that effects many people. Since you seem to be blind maybe I can help. I am an Optician and work for one of the largest corps. in the U.S.A. We received a notification that due new government polices we can no longer accept Mecicare for exams or spectacles/contacts for our patients. It is simply too expensive for us to continue. I can only hope that those blinded by obama's lies and drank the cool aid will actually open their eyes and vote him out. It is sad when those that don't contribute to society outnumber those that do. If your mind is open (which I doubt) watch this.

http://youtu.be/Z6QOscKvUjU

I am just damn glad that I never had to serve under such a vile Commander and Chief.

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Aug 20, 2012 18:31:50   #
pigpen
 
[quote=Hunter Lou 1947]
Screamin Scott wrote:
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability to Congress or the American people


Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
alann wrote:
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?
quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the e... (show quote)
quote=alann quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's st... (show quote)


Come On Man, let's get this in the open. What do you mean?
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability t... (show quote)


Isn't it obvious?? It' because he's black!

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Aug 20, 2012 18:34:33   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
Why are you a Racist Bigot spouting off like that?

[quote=pigpen]
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
Screamin Scott wrote:
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability to Congress or the American people


Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
alann wrote:
colo43 wrote:
sarge69 wrote:
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturers to lower the price of their goods by first offering jobs at a slightly lower hourly pay.

Instead of stagnant work at $25.00 bucks an hour for mostly unskilled labor, try hiring at $20.00 an hour and lowering the purchase price. With the 'Made In America ' label prominently showing, folks might buy American instead of China, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc etc etc.

Also try to keep the CEO's pay in line with the workers. A worker making $37,000.00 a year shouldn't have a CEO making $3.7 Million a year.

Sarge
Let's stimulate the economy by asking manufacturer... (show quote)


Why not LOWER corporate taxes so they are not the highest in the world? That way there would be more capital available to hire workers in the U.S.A. instead of other countries.
As far as blame....I agree Bush screwed up and handed oboma a mess but, oboma has made it even worse! Some of you need to watch the movie 2016.
quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the economy by aski... (show quote)


Name me one thing the President made worse for you right now?
quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's stimulate the e... (show quote)
quote=alann quote=colo43 quote=sarge69 Let's st... (show quote)


Come On Man, let's get this in the open. What do you mean?
His appointment of Czar's with no accountability t... (show quote)


Isn't it obvious?? It' because he's black!
quote=Screamin Scott His appointment of Czar's wi... (show quote)

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