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Dec 23, 2018 07:17:42   #
SonyBug
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You will have many more supporting your "observation" - no worries.


Linda is one of the more learned and talented photogs here, and her opinion should be given weight in any conversation. She is a voice of reason!

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Dec 23, 2018 07:18:09   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Is it not possible that "good" photography, whatever that means, can still be done without having a fortune to spend?

$500.00 tripods, $160.00 L-brackets, editing software that you have to pay for, the "top" Nikon cameras, Canon "L" lenses, $150.00 filters....on and on.....

Seems like ANY question asked about what to use/buy quickly turns into endless suggestions to spend tons of money, and that you are foolish if you don't. Those who have it think that everyone does.

Give us ordinary non-professionals a break, please.
Is it not possible that "good" photograp... (show quote)


Photography is no different than everything else. You can buy a cheap tool and get by, but if you use it everyday and you make money from it, you buy PROFESSIONAL GRADE TOOLS. If you are a putt putt golfer, any set of clubs will do, if your a PROFESSIONAL GOLFER, you get PROFESSIONAL CLUBS.
YOU, can get great results from a used D7000 camera with a 35mm 1.8 lens that you will be happy with. BUT, if you do PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHY, and use that camera everyday for thousands of exposures, you will want a PROFESSIONAL GRADE NIKON. I am not saying professionals do not use a D7000, but, it would not be their go to body.
So, you do not need to spend tons of money on your photography HOBBY, but, if you want to turn PRO, then their is a HIGHER STANDARD.

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Dec 23, 2018 07:34:07   #
warzone
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You will have many more supporting your "observation" - no worries.


Linda. Thank you for the quote, “for what possible value or benefit other than to outdo other curmudgeons in a 'who's who of grumpy' competition..” It reminds me of what I want for Christmas: People to be helpful but kind! Happy holidays to everyone.

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Dec 23, 2018 07:41:58   #
bedouin Loc: Big Bend area, Texas
 
Great response Linda. You are one sharp lady!

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Dec 23, 2018 07:42:30   #
346pak Loc: Texas
 
Bipod wrote:
Bicyle -- not expensive
"Mountain" bike -- expensive
Titanium frame mountain bike -- very expensive
Folding titanium frame mountain bike -- mega-bucks!
But why would anyone want one?

Answer: so they can say they own one. And what will they do with it?
Ride it around the block on Saturday afternoon.

You pay for quality. But you pay even more for small, light, portable,
convenient, exotic and sexy. None of that should be mistaken for good.
(After all, the consumer's idea of a great camera is a smart phone!)

World shipments of digital cameras have declined over 70% since 2011.
The camera industry has responded by:
* cutting costs
* keeping prices high
* maintaining incompatible lens mounts, so lens brands do not compete head on
* continuing to set prices, rather than letting them be determined by supply and demand.

The latest cost-cutting measure is mirrorless (MILCs) -- much cheaper to assemble
than DLSRs. Plus the EVF can do things that an optical viewfinder can't do:
like drain the battery and introduce a time lag. Gee whiz high-tech!

Even better, you get to replace all your Nikon or Canon DSLR lenses! What fun!
(And think of how that will help to support the high standard of living in Japan.)

The number of lens mounts has just doubled in a shrinking market--that's unsutainable.
Though they won't admit it, the plan is for F-mount and EF-mount to go away.
(which will ll put hundreds of thousands of excellent F and EF lenses on the
used market).

Just say "no". Buy a used film camera.

If you don't mind paying more for a used lens, a 4" x 5" sheet film camera loaded with B&W
film can have better resolution, dynamic range and depth-of-field than any camera made by
Nikon or Canon -- at a fraction of the price.

Even a medium format 120/220 roll film camera will perform as well as a digital camera
costing $6000 or more. Of course it's not as convenient--boo hoo.

Gee, why do Don McCullin and Bruce Barnbaum shoot film? Maybe because they
aren't rich and they want results like the following--
McCullin:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/0e/65/000e65f77b7ccf4272d1fdd3ce209e48.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/0e/65/000e65f77b7ccf4272d1fdd3ce209e48.jpg
Barnbaum:
http://www.afterimagegallery.com/barnbaumswiftcurrent.jpg
http://www.fourfriendsgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bruce-Barnbaum03-1.jpg
http://www.fourfriendsgallery.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Bruce-Barnbaum04-1.jpg

The decisions to heat your house with a nuclear reactor or to take photographs
with a computer turn out to be rather expensive and complicated. Moreover, it
makes you dependent on vendors and locks you into certain brands. To heck with that.
Bicyle -- not expensive br "Mountain" bi... (show quote)


Great thread here filled with lots of great thoughts and ideas. I see and agree with both sides. Camera manufacturers certainly do seem to try and control high prices as less and less cameras are shipped to the world market. I have a Nikon D810 which I use for everything. Landscapes, action shots, birthday parties, and anything in-between. I shoot NASCAR events for the track that is close to me 3-4 times a year and I have found it burdensome constantly changing lenses and I really wanted to get a second camera so I wouldn't have to be constantly doing that. I really wanted to get a Sony A7 RIII but just could not support paying that high price for convenience. The pixel shift really intrigued me along with the light weight. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. The price was just too outrageous to justify the convenience of a smaller frame camera with a couple of wiz bang options. In the end, I decided to get a second D810 body since the D810 really does everything I need it to and I have all the lenses already. In the end I spent less than 1/2 for that rather than the Sony with just 1 lens.

The phones of today can take some incredible images even when printed in 8 X 10 but to me, that isn't photography. That is picture taking. Yes, many will have a cow and disagree with that statement and it is just my opinion. I do like the thought of getting my Linhof Tecknika 5X7 out of the closet and use it more often as each shot causes thought, planning and detail prior to clicking that shutter. Images from a large format camera are certainly amazing and I do enjoy the process of capturing an image with a large format camera. Now, where is my film?

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Dec 23, 2018 08:11:50   #
WJShaheen Loc: Gold Canyon, AZ
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You will have many more supporting your "observation" - no worries.



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Dec 23, 2018 08:16:53   #
treadwl Loc: South Florida
 
Good photography is about understanding composition, and learning to use the camera you currently have. The attached image was taken with my cellphone and edited with a FREE app called Snapseed. You have to develop an eye for what a good photo is. It is the human holding the camera that makes the real different, not the gear.



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Dec 23, 2018 08:27:17   #
riderxlx Loc: DFW area Texas
 
Exactly ! You got it. Throw that man a fish.
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
You can take award winning images with your iPhone. Gear is meaningless, it is the eye behind the viewfinder that makes the difference.

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Dec 23, 2018 08:30:23   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
Great photography is created in the artist (photographer) not in the camera! The camera is a tool just laying around waiting to be the brush, so those whom have GAS and have a camera bag full of gear, if not an artist don’t create better images with great gear than a true artist can do with simple gear

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Dec 23, 2018 08:32:42   #
SpikeW Loc: Butler PA
 
About a year ago I asked if I would notice a big difference if I upgrades my D7000 camera. I got the same advice I see here and I went and reevaluated my pictures and I came to the conclusion that my photos didn't look to bad so I will stick with my camera until it or I quit. Thanks UHH.

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Dec 23, 2018 08:47:40   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
You can take award winning images with your iPhone. Gear is meaningless, it is the eye behind the viewfinder that makes the difference.


I agree with this viewpoint whole heartedly.

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Dec 23, 2018 09:04:43   #
MichaelL
 
I agree with you fully, spend what you are comfortable for that gives you the results you like. I upgraded cameras last year and tried to give my d7100s to my daughters. They both declined in favor of their phones. I saw the shots from my daughter's new iPhone last night and it was much better than my camera. But I will take credit for teaching her style and composition - unfortunately no, she is the artist and designer

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Dec 23, 2018 09:13:22   #
fourlocks Loc: Londonderry, NH
 
Seems to me the equipment should match, or maybe slightly exceed, the technical skills of the photographer. That, of course, means one has to honestly self-evaluate their abilities and decide whether a D3500 or a D850 is what they need to achieve their desired results. I suppose there's nothing wrong with spending a whole lot of money if it somehow gives the photographer more confidence but I can't see buying a Porsche Carrera if all I need, is to drive to the grocery store for cold cuts.

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Dec 23, 2018 09:17:28   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Although you always hear that it's the photographer, not the gear, that takes the picture, gear makes a big difference. A professional photographer is not going to shop at the Salvation Army to buy his equipment.


A Pro shop everywhere. When he needs something he has to find it regardless of where.

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Dec 23, 2018 09:19:54   #
JeffL Loc: New Jersey
 
Some of my most creative and sharpest photos were on Kodacolor film, using my Minolta SRT-101 (through the lens metering!) and a 50mm lens. Of course, this was during the age of the dinosaurs. My Nikon D5500 has not made me a better photographer. I just get to make more bad shots at a lower cost.

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