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Dec 16, 2018 11:52:15   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
pendennis wrote:
As if man isn't part of nature? Mankind has been taking deer, elk, moose, bear, etc., since man became an omnivore, a million years ago. The only reason deer get out of hand at all, is that there aren't enough hunters.

Deer are rats, with horns. They have no alpha predators, except for man. Urban/Suburbanites don't want coyotes or wolves in their towns. That leaves man. Hunters pay taxes to hunt, and those taxes and fees help keep the herds healthy and within habitat supportable levels.

In Ann Arbor, Michigan, the deer are so invasive, that the city council had to hire hunters to kill off the excess. People complained about the deer eating their shrubs, flowers, etc. That's what happens when people look at "Bambi" instead of an invading herbivore.

I now hunt with a camera, but I still want the gun and bow hunters to do their job, so I have healthy animals to "hunt".
As if man isn't part of nature? Mankind has been ... (show quote)



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Dec 16, 2018 11:53:25   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
eurobird wrote:
Mine gun would have to be loaded with blanks it's sad people do this as a sport.


It's safe to assume you rather see them die of starvation?

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Dec 16, 2018 11:55:18   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
raferrelljr wrote:
Wonder how the hunters would feel if the roles were reversed?


That's it???

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Dec 16, 2018 11:56:57   #
R Dubs Loc: Linloln,Ne.
 
Meat isn't made at the store cows, pigs and poultry all die to put food on your table. Looks like a successful hunt and I am sure the meat will to good use.

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Dec 16, 2018 11:58:42   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
PRETENDER wrote:
Why would you even want to photograph this?


What about war correspondents who photograph battle loses/casualties? This is food. Go to a slaughter house and check that out. also food.

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Dec 16, 2018 12:03:39   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
Some of these comnets remind me a lady's response to a reporter when asked what she think about farmers, why do we need them, I buy everything at the store.

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Dec 16, 2018 12:08:47   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
KTJohnson wrote:
Helps to thin the herd keeping them healthier overall. If the herd gets too big many would starve to death during the winter (and our winters sometimes go from Oct. to April). It also puts meat in the freezer, much better tasting than venison.



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Dec 16, 2018 12:28:07   #
trainspotter Loc: Oregon
 
In Oregon, the sea lions are destroying the salmon populations..(they only eat the egg roe in the fishes belly), SO....finally the lawmakers FINALLY got permission to kill the trouble makers (they tried capturing them and relocating the beasts), but they returned in just a few days. Management is vital to all creatures. I'm sure none of those elk will go to waste. GREAT photos.

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Dec 16, 2018 12:40:55   #
Bulldog1jack Loc: CT
 
Bmac wrote:
Think about that the next time you are frying up some bacon.


Right!

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Dec 16, 2018 12:45:06   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
I had hunted over sixty years before I gave it up because all my hunting buddies have gone to the "big hunting grounds in the sky" and my wife says that it was time to settle down, so I sold my guns and bought cameras. I have taken my share of deer, plus other game. I have a number of photos with me and various deer together, but my favorite photos are those with the deer still on the hoof.
BTW, I prefer moose meat over elk, caribou, and even venison.
Bud

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Dec 16, 2018 12:54:30   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
pendennis wrote:
As if man isn't part of nature? Mankind has been taking deer, elk, moose, bear, etc., since man became an omnivore, a million years ago. The only reason deer get out of hand at all, is that there aren't enough hunters.

Deer are rats, with horns. They have no alpha predators, except for man. Urban/Suburbanites don't want coyotes or wolves in their towns. That leaves man. Hunters pay taxes to hunt, and those taxes and fees help keep the herds healthy and within habitat supportable levels.

As if man isn't part of nature? Mankind has been ... (show quote)


But who will keep the human herd culled?

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Dec 16, 2018 13:05:19   #
Birdman642 Loc: PA
 
berchman wrote:
But who will keep the human herd culled?

car's and truck's and air craft

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Dec 16, 2018 13:40:54   #
sbohne
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
If you leave them alone, nature will do it's job. When mankind get involved, they make a mess!
Hunt with a camera and everyone can enjoy them.


No, I'm sorry, but I'll respectfully disagree. Man has changed their natural habitat, and they have fewer predators. The overpopulation leads to disease, wasting, crop damage, and more. I live in southern Michigan; when I was a boy, my dad told me that if you saw a deer in Jackson County, the newspaper would take your picture and do a front-page story: "LOCAL MAN SPOTS DEER!"

Today, I drive home and there are a half a dozen bedded down in my front yard. I do NOT live "out in the country."

They even had to hire sharpshooters in VERY urban Ann Arbor, Michigan because there were so many deer they were causing traffic accidents and crashing through glass in many of the University of Michigan buildings, making for VERY unsafe conditions.

I am not a hunter. I have never been a hunter. But I am not some anti-hunting nut that thinks we're killing Bambi. Now, dumb-a$$es that are trophy killing Elephants...don't get me started.

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Dec 16, 2018 13:48:44   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
berchman wrote:
But who will keep the human herd culled?

Wars, disease, homicides, floods etc.

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Dec 16, 2018 13:55:33   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
DAN Phillips wrote:
If you leave them alone, nature will do it's job. When mankind get involved, they make a mess!
Hunt with a camera and everyone can enjoy them.


Leave them alone might work if everything was just as it was before the coming of man. But not likely, drought, disease, extreme weather etc all factor in and cause animal populations to surge or crash. Nature is not perfect. So in today's world management by wildlife professionals becomes necessary and yes, they have to learn by doing and studying to see what happens and then nature still will throw them a curve ball every so often.

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