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Dec 11, 2018 19:55:12   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
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forbescat wrote:
The animus that the right has is for special interest groups to get people fired for no good reason. If a person decides to make a radical change then they should live with the consequences of that decision and not expect the rest of us to adjust our lives to fit theirs. We now have boys deciding to be girls, whites deciding to be black, whites deciding to be native American. Fine but don't expect me to bend over backwards to cater to these abnormalities. Live you life as you wish and let me live my life as I see fit.
The animus that the right has is for special inter... (show quote)


You can live your life as you wish but you need to comply with the rules of your employment or become unemployed.
Simple.

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Dec 11, 2018 20:53:33   #
forbescat
 
thom w wrote:
We're talking about a kid, and why are you so sure it's a choice?


It's a choice to make it public and to insist that everyone else make accommodations. It's not a handicap.

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Dec 11, 2018 21:03:06   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
forbescat wrote:
It's a choice to make it public and to insist that everyone else make accommodations. It's not a handicap.


It's a 9th grader for gods sake. Can you imagine how traumatic the circumstances could be? What the hell is wrong with you? Why should a teacher with a stick up his butt be allowed to make a tough situation even more difficult for a little kid. Don't you have anything better to do than cheer on a teacher trying to make a little kid's life hell? I'm not going to pretend I understand this sex identity stuff, but it isn't important that I understand it. I can't imagine a decision like this is being made without the assistance of a mental health professional. Who are you and I to think we know better. Do you hang out at special Olympics to let the kids know they aren't really that great? Shame on you.

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Dec 11, 2018 21:47:16   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Absolutely.
An archaeologist coming across the bones 500 years from now will identify the person correctly, a female.


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Dec 11, 2018 21:54:58   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
yhtomit wrote:
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Of what importance is that?

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Dec 11, 2018 21:55:19   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
It's a 9th grader for gods sake. Can you imagine how traumatic the circumstances could be? What the hell is wrong with you? Why should a teacher with a stick up his butt be allowed to make a tough situation even more difficult for a little kid. Don't you have anything better to do than cheer on a teacher trying to make a little kid's life hell? I'm not going to pretend I understand this sex identity stuff, but it isn't important that I understand it. I can't imagine a decision like this is being made without the assistance of a mental health professional. Who are you and I to think we know better. Do you hang out at special Olympics to let the kids know they aren't really that great? Shame on you.
It's a 9th grader for gods sake. Can you imagine h... (show quote)


Some people are just too indignant

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Dec 11, 2018 21:56:10   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Rose42 wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misgender-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA


I believe the teacher has a right to honestly live his faith.
He showed respect to address the student with his new
name.
What if you believe there are two genders according to established science?
Can you also not be fired?

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Dec 11, 2018 22:01:14   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
yhtomit wrote:
I believe the teacher has a right to honestly live his faith.
He showed respect to address the student with his new
name.
What if you believe there are two genders according to established science?
Can you also not be fired?


You can believe anything you want. You cannot assist in traumatizing children in your care. You can believe the kid is going to hell. You need to keep that away from the classroom.

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Dec 11, 2018 22:28:38   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
yhtomit wrote:
I believe the teacher has a right to honestly live his faith.
He showed respect to address the student with his new
name.
What if you believe there are two genders according to established science?
Can you also not be fired?


Guess school board says different

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Dec 11, 2018 22:34:20   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
thom w wrote:
It's a 9th grader for gods sake. Can you imagine how traumatic the circumstances could be? What the hell is wrong with you? Why should a teacher with a stick up his butt be allowed to make a tough situation even more difficult for a little kid. Don't you have anything better to do than cheer on a teacher trying to make a little kid's life hell? I'm not going to pretend I understand this sex identity stuff, but it isn't important that I understand it. I can't imagine a decision like this is being made without the assistance of a mental health professional. Who are you and I to think we know better. Do you hang out at special Olympics to let the kids know they aren't really that great? Shame on you.
It's a 9th grader for gods sake. Can you imagine h... (show quote)


According to a story I read before this made it to the attic, the teacher noticed the student walking into the wall with her face buried in her Cell Phone and called out for someone to stop her instead of stop him. You seem mighty judgmental, not knowing the whole story it behooves we not jump to or at conclusions.

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Dec 11, 2018 22:55:46   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
letmedance wrote:
According to a story I read before this made it to the attic, the teacher noticed the student walking into the wall with her face buried in her Cell Phone and called out for someone to stop her instead of stop him. You seem mighty judgmental, not knowing the whole story it behooves we not jump to or at conclusions.


Anyways
West Point School Board voted 5-0 to terminate

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Dec 11, 2018 23:17:54   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Elaine2025 wrote:
The liberals do shout loud and often. I still don't believe that a man is a woman or vice versa. It is their world of political correctness. The media puts forth these crazy notions on a daily basis.


Come on Elaine. You call men on this forum “little girl” on a regular bases, and you expect us to refer to you as a female.

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Dec 11, 2018 23:28:13   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
letmedance wrote:
According to a story I read before this made it to the attic, the teacher noticed the student walking into the wall with her face buried in her Cell Phone and called out for someone to stop her instead of stop him. You seem mighty judgmental, not knowing the whole story it behooves we not jump to or at conclusions.


As per usual, it’s not me who doesn’t know the whole story and is trying to strike a blow for what they believe is a conservative cause. He refused to use pronouns of the proper gender. Before he was fired, he was asked if he were given a second chance, would he use the proper pronouns? He said his religious convictions would not allow it. Are we now clear?
I don’t wish to appear less than cordial, but do not acuse me or talk down to me without doing your home work.
Because you don’t know the whole story does not mean others don’t.
I read the story on daily koz yesterday.

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Dec 12, 2018 00:16:40   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
thom w wrote:
As per usual, it’s not me who doesn’t know the whole story and is trying to strike a blow for what they believe is a conservative cause. He refused to use pronouns of the proper gender. Before he was fired, he was asked if he were given a second chance, would he use the proper pronouns? He said his religious convictions would not allow it. Are we now clear?
I don’t wish to appear less than cordial, but do not acuse me or talk down to me without doing your home work.
Because you don’t know the whole story does not mean others don’t.
I read the story on daily koz yesterday.
As per usual, it’s not me who doesn’t know the who... (show quote)



I just told you that I read the story Day before on a different site, and also the one in the OP. Teach met wit parents and said he had no problems calling her by here new name and would be careful not to use the pronouns HE, She, Him , Her, etc. In what seemed to be an accident about to happen he shouted a warning suddenly. You of all folks should not be offended by talking down or accusing as you are very accomplished in both categories, seemingly polite but still guilty.

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Dec 12, 2018 01:22:52   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
letmedance wrote:
I just told you that I read the story Day before on a different site, and also the one in the OP. Teach met wit parents and said he had no problems calling her by here new name and would be careful not to use the pronouns HE, She, Him , Her, etc. In what seemed to be an accident about to happen he shouted a warning suddenly. You of all folks should not be offended by talking down or accusing as you are very accomplished in both categories, seemingly polite but still guilty.


The instructor absolutely refused to refer to the student as he or him. He was fired for insubordination. He wasn't fired for accidentally referring to the student as her. He absolutely refused to refer to him as he or him. Insubordination is a big deal.

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