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Dec 10, 2018 10:52:24   #
Rose42
 
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misg****r-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA

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Dec 10, 2018 10:53:11   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rose42 wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misg****r-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA


This has gone too far.

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Dec 10, 2018 10:58:51   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
I sense a lawsuit in the making.
--Bob

Rose42 wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misg****r-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA

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Dec 10, 2018 11:17:20   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
The teacher has a right to do wh**ever she likes and refer to the student in any g****r she likes.
She does not have the right to be a teacher. That is a privilege and she needs to follow the rules of the school.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:22:19   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
Rose42 wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misg****r-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA


WTF is the "male pronoun" they are talking about. I don't quite understand.

"Peter Vlaming was fired from West Point High School, for refusing to use a male pronoun for one of his students."

What, Peter wouldn't call upon his female student as Tom when he's known this student as Susan for a period of time?

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Dec 10, 2018 11:25:44   #
Rose42
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
WTF is the "male pronoun" they are talking about. I don't quite understand.

"Peter Vlaming was fired from West Point High School, for refusing to use a male pronoun for one of his students."


A female student now thinks she's a male. He refused to use a male pronoun for her and rightly so. A female can't become a male.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:32:51   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rose42 wrote:
A female student now thinks she's a male. He refused to use a male pronoun for her and rightly so. A female can't become a male.


Absolutely.
An archaeologist coming across the bones 500 years from now will identify the person correctly, a female.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:36:32   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Absolutely.
An archaeologist coming across the bones 500 years from now will identify the person correctly, a female.


Although I understand anatomy, I don't believe the person, alive today cares what an archaeologist would think of their skeletal remains.
The one thing I don't understand is the animus that the Right has to people that don't fit into their cookie-cutter beliefs of what everyone should be.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:39:00   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Why couldn't the teacher just use the student's name?

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Dec 10, 2018 11:40:34   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Frank T wrote:
Although I understand anatomy, I don't believe the person, alive today cares what an archaeologist would think of their skeletal remains.
The one thing I don't understand is the animus that the Right has to people that don't fit into their cookie-cutter beliefs of what everyone should be.


There are 2 sexes. male and Female.
No matter how hard you wish otherwise c********es and DNA tell the t***h.
Yes, there are extremely rare exceptions for libs to hang their hats on but those are incredibly rare.
You are male or female regardless of what you say to the contrary.
Just like my cat will be a cat no matter how much she wanted to be a dog.

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Dec 10, 2018 11:50:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
There are 2 sexes. male and Female.
No matter how hard you wish otherwise c********es and DNA tell the t***h.
Yes, there are extremely rare exceptions for libs to hang their hats on but those are incredibly rare.
You are male or female regardless of what you say to the contrary.
Just like my cat will be a cat no matter how much she wanted to be a dog.


So Archie,
If a person born male, gets an operation to change their anatomy to female and wants to be called by a female name, how does that impact your life negatively?
Why not just call them Mary instead of Mario or wh**ever makes them happy. It costs you nothing and brings joy to them.
Seems to me that, that would be the "Christian" thing to do.

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Dec 10, 2018 13:13:59   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Frank T wrote:
So Archie,
If a person born male, gets an operation to change their anatomy to female and wants to be called by a female name, how does that impact your life negatively?
Why not just call them Mary instead of Mario or wh**ever makes them happy. It costs you nothing and brings joy to them.
Seems to me that, that would be the "Christian" thing to do.


It does not impact me negatively.
If a person desires to call a person by their real sex how does that impact you negatively and why do you or anyone have a right to force them to lie about a persons sex to be PC?

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Dec 10, 2018 13:19:24   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Architect1776 wrote:
It does not impact me negatively.
If a person desires to call a person by their real sex how does that impact you negatively and why do you or anyone have a right to force them to lie about a persons sex to be PC?


It's not about me. Or you for that matter. It's about the t*********red person. Why would you not be kind and just make them feel good by calling them by their preferred name?
Why the h**e?

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Dec 10, 2018 13:24:10   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Frank T wrote:
It's not about me. Or you for that matter. It's about the t*********red person. Why would you not be kind and just make them feel good by calling them by their preferred name?
Why the h**e?


What h**e? You seem to be obsessed with the h**e and use of it over and over.

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Dec 10, 2018 13:52:09   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Rose42 wrote:
https://www.newsweek.com/peter-vlaming-west-point-high-school-teacher-fired-misg****r-student-refused-1248615?fbclid=IwAR18IeSz_kba030jJgjmVCCbnc6-HEPAQdUn4oicf3OMAXegi2kdRgT22NA


Yes, pronouns can be a very complicated and bewildering matter to some. When I was in 2nd grade I had Miss Smith for a teacher. She was young, attractive and ALL the students loved her because of it.
At the Easter break we all came back and Miss Smith announced that from that day forward we would call her Mrs Lopez, and wrote it on the board!
Like some of you here, I was a bit confused and was having trouble grasping what had just happened. But I accepted her wishes and called her Mrs. Lopez from that day on!!!
It wasn’t till I was in about the 5th grade that we actually studied pronouns that I fully grasped that beautiful young teachers get married and can change pronouns and names!!!
So I can fully sympathize with some of you that are wrestling with the concept!!!
And yes, that is a true story!
SS

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