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Dec 5, 2018 20:00:41   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
Apaflo wrote:
"... can help pull the heat from the camera ..." means that wind chill absolutely does affect cameras, and in just about exactly the same way it affects humans. In either case it determines how fast terminal temperature (ambient) is reached, and does not represent a temperature lower than ambient.

I've spent the last 20 years living in Barrow Alaska. I am not guessing!

Wind chill affects the cost of heating your house, whether your car will start, when the camera battery gives up the ghost... and when your skin freezes.

One thing for the OP though, don't worry about lubrication for the camera. It has been decades now since all camera lubs are synthetic, and literally are as good can be found.
"... can help pull the heat from the camera .... (show quote)


Sorry, but not at all the same as it affects humans. Cameras don’t have skin that cools even faster as wind evaporates the moisture.

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Dec 5, 2018 20:09:13   #
GregWCIL Loc: Illinois
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
Gee if my posting about wind chill got this much interest maybe my next post should concern
why do we need to go to Mars.


What’s the wind chill on Mars?

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Dec 5, 2018 22:14:14   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Wikipedia has has an article on Wind Chill. In it the wind chill index has units of energy per area per time. As the formula gives for 0 F and 0 mph a wind chill (labelled deg F) of 35.4 F which is warmer than the air temperature. There is something awry here. Past my pay grade.

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Dec 5, 2018 23:04:50   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
John_F wrote:
Wikipedia has has an article on Wind Chill. In it the wind chill index has units of energy per area per time. As the formula gives for 0 F and 0 mph a wind chill (labelled deg F) of 35.4 F which is warmer than the air temperature. There is something awry here. Past my pay grade.

Windchill is undefined at less than 3 MPH. The formula does not provide reasonable answers...

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Dec 5, 2018 23:05:53   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
GregWCIL wrote:
Sorry, but not at all the same as it affects humans. Cameras don’t have skin that cools even faster as wind evaporates the moisture.

Not true.

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Dec 5, 2018 23:38:53   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Apaflo wrote:
Not true.


Cameras do have skin?

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Dec 6, 2018 00:43:35   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Wind chill doesn't affect cameras, only people. While wind can help pull the heat from the camera, the camera itself will never be colder than the actual, ambient air temp. Wind chill is simply how it "feels" to a person, camera's don't care.


True to a first approximation. Wind chill is a mathemetical heat transfer calculation of the increased heat flow from anything as the air velocity increases. It doesn’t consider “feel”. The article writers are seeking to dumb down the engineering.

Your camera and battery will cool faster towards the ambient temperature with wind, just like the heat flow increases from your body. If you left your camera outside then it won’t cool due to wind chill.

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Dec 6, 2018 00:45:21   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Shellback wrote:
Good post - a lot of folks don't realize how quickly wind chill can affect them.

In the '70's, I taught motorcycle safety at the Naval Air Technical Training Command, Memphis and incorporated wind chill charts in the class. Quite a few riders were not aware that at 50° and 50 mph they were susceptible to frost bite.


They aren’t.

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Dec 6, 2018 00:57:18   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Apaflo wrote:
How can anyone be "basically correct" and claim the difference is whether something cannot get colder than ambient. In fact windchill does not make anything colder than ambient.

That is just one "basic" flaw!

But you are correct that it is heat conduction.


Nope. Wind chill is a caculation of convection cooling. The only two variables in the equation are the ambient temperature and velocity. Velocity means convective cooling.

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Dec 6, 2018 00:57:40   #
foggypreacher Loc: Dickinson, Texas
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
https://www.weather.gov/media/ict/handouts/WindChill_HeatWave.pdf...First paragraph....


Screamin Scott,
When I tried to follow your link, this is the message I received:

Wed Dec 05 2018 23:55:13 GMT-0600 (Central Standard Time)
The page you requested cannot be found. Please check your URL and try again.

Please use the following links for NWS forecasts and services.

There were other links but did not see one for wind-chill. Perhaps another day. Thank you anyway.

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Dec 6, 2018 02:28:30   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
IDguy wrote:
Nope. Wind chill is a caculation of convection cooling. The only two variables in the equation are the ambient temperature and velocity. Velocity means convective cooling.

I'll have to agree with that. Velocity means heat is being carried away, and that defines convection rather than conduction. Heat is conducted to the surface, but convection removes heat from the object.

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Dec 6, 2018 07:49:30   #
rwww80a Loc: Hampton, NH
 
DITTO
How much lube do you use on your body (camera that is).

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Dec 6, 2018 09:25:51   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
IDguy wrote:
True to a first approximation. Wind chill is a mathemetical heat transfer calculation of the increased heat flow from anything as the air velocity increases. It doesn’t consider “feel”. The article writers are seeking to dumb down the engineering.

Your camera and battery will cool faster towards the ambient temperature with wind, just like the heat flow increases from your body. If you left your camera outside then it won’t cool due to wind chill.


What you're describing is thermal conduction.

Every article on wind chill will tell you that it's what the temperature feels like due to the wind. The rate of thermal conduction is what causes "wind chill", but the wind chill itself, derived from the rate of thermal conduction, is how it feels when you're out in the wind at a given, cool temperature. In fact, if you look at wikipedia, the mention this:

"Many formulas exist for wind chill because, unlike temperature, wind chill has no universally agreed upon standard definition or measurement. All the formulas attempt to qualitatively predict the effect of wind on the temperature humans perceive. Weather services in different countries use standards unique to their country or region; for example, the U.S. and Canadian weather services use a model accepted by the National Weather Service. That model has evolved over time."

Of particular interest:

"the temperature humans perceive"

So, how it feels is certainly part of the formula for wind chill, and not even fully agreed upon by every country, unlike the rate of thermal conduction itself.

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Dec 6, 2018 10:45:01   #
AlColter Loc: Michigan
 
Heres what Wikipidia says is current:
North American and United Kingdom wind chill index
In November 2001, Canada, the United States, and the United Kingdom implemented a new wind chill index developed by scientists and medical experts on the Joint Action Group for Temperature Indices (JAG/TI).[5][6][7] It is determined by iterating a model of skin temperature under various wind speeds and temperatures using standard engineering correlations of wind speed and heat transfer rate. Heat transfer was calculated for a bare face in wind, facing the wind, while walking into it at 1.4 metres per second (5.0 km/h; 3.1 mph). The model corrects the officially measured wind speed to the wind speed at face height, assuming the person is in an open field.[8] The results of this model may be approximated, to within one degree, from the following formula:

The standard Wind Chill formula for Environment Canada is:

{\displaystyle T_{\mathrm {wc} }=13.12+0.6215T_{\mathrm {a} }-11.37v^{+0.16}+0.3965T_{\mathrm {a} }v^{+0.16}} {\displaystyle T_{\mathrm {wc} }=13.12+0.6215T_{\mathrm {a} }-11.37v^{+0.16}+0.3965T_{\mathrm {a} }v^{+0.16}}
where Twc is the wind chill index, based on the Celsius temperature scale; Ta is the air temperature in degrees Celsius; and v is the wind speed at 10 m (33 ft) standard anemometer height, in kilometres per hour.[9]
When the temperature is −20 °C (−4 °F) and the wind speed is 5 km/h (3.1 mph), the wind chill index is −24. If the temperature remains at −20 °C and the wind speed increases to 30 km/h (19 mph), the wind chill index falls to −33.

The equivalent formula in US customary units is:[10]

{\displaystyle T_{\mathrm {wc} }=35.74+0.6215T_{\mathrm {a} }-35.75v^{+0.16}+0.4275T_{\mathrm {a} }v^{+0.16}\,\!} {\displaystyle T_{\mathrm {wc} }=35.74+0.6215T_{\mathrm {a} }-35.75v^{+0.16}+0.4275T_{\mathrm {a} }v^{+0.16}\,\!}
where Twc is the wind chill index, based on the Fahrenheit scale; Ta is the air temperature in degrees Fahrenheit, and v is the wind speed in miles per hour.[11]
Windchill temperature is defined only for temperatures at or below 10 °C (50 °F) and wind speeds above 4.8 kilometres per hour (3.0 mph).[10]

As the air temperature falls, the chilling effect of any wind that is present increases. For example, a 16 km/h (9.9 mph) wind will lower the apparent temperature by a wider margin at an air temperature of −20 °C (−4 °F), than a wind of the same speed would if the air temperature were −10 °C (14 °F).

Graph of degrees of wind chill for wind speed and air temperature
Celsius wind chill index


Graph comparing "old" and "new" wind chill values by wind speed at 15°C air temperature
Comparison of old and new wind chill values at −15 °C (5 °F)


Picture of a manual wind chill calculator
Wind chill calculator

The 2001 WCET is a steady state calculation (except for the time to frostbite estimates).[12] There are significant time-dependent aspects to wind chill because cooling is most rapid at the start of any exposure, when the skin is still warm.
Steve Perry wrote:
Wind chill doesn't affect cameras, only people. While wind can help pull the heat from the camera, the camera itself will never be colder than the actual, ambient air temp. Wind chill is simply how it "feels" to a person, camera's don't care.

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Dec 6, 2018 11:59:04   #
Pixelmaster Loc: New England
 
The reason that I posted the wind chill chart was because I know what it is like to deal with foul weather.
Cold can kill you or at the very least lead to loosing part of your anatomy. On the reverse side heat can lead to heat stroke. Photographers have to understand what they are up against. Dress for the weather and don't underestimate it.

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