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Dec 6, 2018 12:58:54   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Steve Perry wrote:
What you're describing is thermal conduction.

Every article on wind chill will tell you that it's what the temperature feels like due to the wind. The rate of thermal conduction is what causes "wind chill", but the wind chill itself, derived from the rate of thermal conduction, is how it feels when you're out in the wind at a given, cool temperature. In fact, if you look at wikipedia, the mention this:

"Many formulas exist for wind chill because, unlike temperature, wind chill has no universally agreed upon standard definition or measurement. All the formulas attempt to qualitatively predict the effect of wind on the temperature humans perceive. Weather services in different countries use standards unique to their country or region; for example, the U.S. and Canadian weather services use a model accepted by the National Weather Service. That model has evolved over time."

Of particular interest:

"the temperature humans perceive"

So, how it feels is certainly part of the formula for wind chill, and not even fully agreed upon by every country, unlike the rate of thermal conduction itself.
What you're describing is thermal conduction. br ... (show quote)


Again, it is a convection calculation. It has nothing about conduction or feel in the equation. A conduction calculation requires the thermal conductivity of the material conducting; e.g. the skin. Don’t be fooled by authors who are better at writing than Engineering.

FYI I have a Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering and aced Thermo (along with all my other College courses).

And I do enjoy learning photography from you!

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Dec 6, 2018 16:20:22   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
IDguy wrote:
... FYI I have a Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering and aced Thermo (along with all my other College courses). ...

Okay...

If we design an Arctic parka, should there be any air flow under the parka? And if so where should there be free flow and where should there not be any flow for best protection against windchill? Lets say this is a hunting parka that might be worn for a week or two on the Arctic ice in January at temperatures down to -40 with winds of 10 to 30 MPH.

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Dec 6, 2018 16:58:43   #
rb61 Loc: Maple Grove, MN
 
I was surprised when I read that Olympus stated that my camera will probably not function properly if the temperature is below 32F.

Probably true for most non-pro digital cameras?

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Dec 6, 2018 17:05:12   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
rb61 wrote:
I was surprised when I read that Olympus stated that my camera will probably not function properly if the temperature is below 32F.

Probably true for most non-pro digital cameras?


No, most likely not true. If true, that would mean that all/most photos taken outdoors in winter were done by professionals with pro gear.

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Dec 6, 2018 17:58:54   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
rb61 wrote:
I was surprised when I read that Olympus stated that my camera will probably not function properly if the temperature is below 32F.

Probably true for most non-pro digital cameras?


Probably from their lawyers. But keep in mind it will take hours for your camera to get down to outside temp. Longer if using it because of internal heat production.

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Dec 6, 2018 18:01:10   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Apaflo wrote:
Okay...

If we design an Arctic parka, should there be any air flow under the parka? And if so where should there be free flow and where should there not be any flow for best protection against windchill? Lets say this is a hunting parka that might be worn for a week or two on the Arctic ice in January at temperatures down to -40 with winds of 10 to 30 MPH.


Not into Parka design. But you’ll find the better ones have adjustable vents to handle a range of heat production (exercise) and outside conditions.

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Dec 6, 2018 18:34:53   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
THANK YOU GUYS!

I appreciate the time and effort that the engineers and more scientifically knowledgeable members take out the time to share their expertise and theoretical and practical understanding of the many concepts that relate to not only photography but the environment we live and work in. We soud not disregard this informant in that it pertains to out health, safety and informed maintenance of our equipment.

I was so inspired that I ran out of my nice heated studio and shot the attached image on this cold Canadian night. Well actually- it was after work and I was walking to my car and all I had with me was my cell phone camera- not too bad! -1 Degree C.


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Dec 6, 2018 18:50:22   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
IDguy wrote:
Not into Parka design. But you’ll find the better ones have adjustable vents to handle a range of heat production (exercise) and outside conditions.

Really? I never saw one with your adjustable vents. Never!

What I saw though were parkas made by Eskimo grandmothers. None had a college degree, but they actually did know what they were doing.

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Dec 6, 2018 23:01:59   #
halraiser
 
The best design would be to allow the wearer to switch between ventilation and no ventilation. If the wearer starts to get too warm, allow him to open up ventilation to avoid sweating. If it gets colder, close it down to retain heat. That is why top quality parkas have pit zips, zippers to open up under the arm pits and allow ventilation. They also have drawstrings to allow opening or sealing off neck/head areas and the bottom of the parka. A common saying among cold weather people is that to sweat is to die. They need good insulation for when it is really cold but also the option of ventilation when it is not so cold or when they are working hard.

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Dec 6, 2018 23:04:25   #
halraiser
 
The most likely culprit is the batteries. I've found that alkaline batteries do not do well in the cold. A switch to nickle metal hydride solved that problem on one camera I had. Lithium batteries also do well in the cold.

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Dec 10, 2018 16:20:48   #
DJphoto Loc: SF Bay Area
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
There was an outside chance that one of my Navy assignments was to go to the South Pole.
In preparation for that I looked up the wind chill factors so that I could have my cameras
ready by changing out the lubrication to keep them functioning. More than that I had to
know what extreme cold would do to me under those conditions. Hypothermia is a very
real threat not only to the camera but also to the photographer. So for those of you who
are foolish enough to ignore how easy it is to get frostbite or worse here is a wind chill
chart to give you what you need to know. This also applies to people who do aerial
photography. With digital cameras cold will increase your battery drain disproportionally
which is one more reason to know before you go into the cold.
Note that frostbite can occur in 15 minutes or less in the blue section of the chart.
There was an outside chance that one of my Navy as... (show quote)


Interesting discussion. If there is a cancellation on a cruise to see the northern lights in Norway next month (it's currently sold out), I'll let you know how it works out with my "not good at being cold" body and my 80D.

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