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Dec 5, 2018 09:33:37   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
There was an outside chance that one of my Navy assignments was to go to the South Pole.
In preparation for that I looked up the wind chill factors so that I could have my cameras
ready by changing out the lubrication to keep them functioning. More than that I had to
know what extreme cold would do to me under those conditions. Hypothermia is a very
real threat not only to the camera but also to the photographer. So for those of you who
are foolish enough to ignore how easy it is to get frostbite or worse here is a wind chill
chart to give you what you need to know. This also applies to people who do aerial
photography. With digital cameras cold will increase your battery drain disproportionally
which is one more reason to know before you go into the cold.
Note that frostbite can occur in 15 minutes or less in the blue section of the chart.
There was an outside chance that one of my Navy as... (show quote)


So what lubricants do you use?

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Dec 5, 2018 09:35:29   #
Naptown Gaijin
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
...So for those of you who
are foolish enough to ignore how easy it is to get frostbite or worse here is a wind chill
chart to give you what you need to know. This also applies to people who do aerial
photography. ...
Note that frostbite can occur in 15 minutes or less in the blue section of the chart.


Did 3 winters at Malmstrom AFB, Montana. Saw -82°F. wind chill on a missile silo once. Unbelieveable. -35 ~ -50° F. wind chill was not uncommon in Great Falls. However, in the summer it is a fantastic place.

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Dec 5, 2018 09:52:48   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Apaflo wrote:
"... can help pull the heat from the camera ..." means that wind chill absolutely does affect cameras, and in just about exactly the same way it affects humans. In either case it determines how fast terminal temperature (ambient) is reached


It will cool off faster, but if you leave a camera out in -40, with a 20 mph wind, and take its temperature, it will read -40 (I used -40 because C and F converge at that temperature). It will reach -40 faster.

Dik

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Dec 5, 2018 12:59:19   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Blaster34 wrote:
Hmmmm...if the temp is not below freezing, frostbite can't occur.

Good catch! Hypothermia, not frostbite, is what he should have said.

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Dec 5, 2018 13:08:23   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Dikdik wrote:
It will cool off faster, but if you leave a camera out in -40, with a 20 mph wind, and take its temperature, it will read -40 (I used -40 because C and F converge at that temperature). It will reach -40 faster.

Dik

When a warm camera from inside is taken outside into -40 ambient temperature it will cool to -40 faster if the windchill is lower. E.g., a 30 MPH wind will cool the camera faster than a 3 MPH wind.

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Dec 5, 2018 13:17:46   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Concur

Dik

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Dec 5, 2018 13:28:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Screamin Scott wrote:
https://www.weather.gov/media/ict/handouts/WindChill_HeatWave.pdf...First paragraph....


Bad link.

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Dec 5, 2018 14:49:41   #
tiphareth51 Loc: Somewhere near North Pole, Alaska
 
I think one of the major points being made by the poster is hypothermia and how easy it is to be affected by frostbite. Unfortunately that point seems to have been missed. Anyone residing in Alaska should be aware of this especially during outdoor activities. There are times while photographing ice art and Aurora that my time outside has been very limited due to the cold factor.

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Dec 5, 2018 14:55:45   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Pixelmaster wrote:
Gee if my posting about wind chill got this much interest maybe my next post should concern
why do we need to go to Mars.


Pixelmaster,

You said in your original post that you were trying to determine which lubricants to use in your camera for antarctica use. What lubricants did you arrive at and would they be of any use to those of us that are not planning for that extreme of a climate? Also, where in the camera do you replace the lubricants with the cold weather lubricants?

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Dec 5, 2018 15:01:24   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Unfortunately, E.L., I can't comment on Hell. The devil has a restraining order on me.
--Bob

E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Greeting from CANADA!

I will not even attempt to enter this argument. Thermodynamics ain't my area of expertise! All I know is that I have worked in some extremely cold conditions to the point where the cameras just seized up- I suppose the lubricants congealed, batteries failed, perhas circuitry was affected and/or things in the camera expanded and contracted leading to malfunction. I have also been out in sub-freezing conditions with significant wind-chill where the equipment worked faultlessly, however, my face nearly froze over and my hands felt like the were about to fall off- regardless of all the thermal clothing. In the old days the film could crack or on a cold dry day there were static marks if it was advanced too fast. Used to be that manufacturers recommended "winterizing" the equipment with specialized lubricants.

I am not an avid nature or wildlife shooter but I have a great deal of respect for the folks that do that work under inclement weather conditions and manage to come up with fine imagery. Most of my commercial work is done indoors, however, I do get a number of location jobs in the middle of Winter that require out-of- doors work and of course, the clients always pick the days and weeks with relentless record breaking low temperatures. Y'all are talking about WIND chill- what about relative humidity! It's DAMP up here in Eastern Canada. It gets right in your bones! How do you spell "hyperthermia"

Some folks like to say "It's hot as HELL"! I believe it's COLD in HELL!
Greeting from CANADA! br br I will not even atte... (show quote)

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Dec 5, 2018 15:26:53   #
Pixelmaster Loc: New England
 
In my preparations back then I contacted Nikon where they said that they could remove the standard
lubrication and replace it with a cold weather lubricant. I never did find out what they used to do that.
There is a lubricant today made by Interflon, a Dutch company, called Fin Super which is a dry lubricant that
uses encapsulated Teflon. Most end users of the product cannot believe how effective it is until they
try it. Most European police use it in all their weapons.

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Dec 5, 2018 16:22:44   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
bpulv wrote:
Pixelmaster,

You said in your original post that you were trying to determine which lubricants to use in your camera for antarctica use. What lubricants did you arrive at and would they be of any use to those of us that are not planning for that extreme of a climate? Also, where in the camera do you replace the lubricants with the cold weather lubricants?

Replacing the standard lubricants is no longer necessary or even useful.

Today's standard lubricants are Arctic grade synthetics that are far better than what was used a few decades ago.

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Dec 5, 2018 17:35:47   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Sure wish my camera and lenses had grease nipples so that I could change lubricants myself.

But seriously, I don't think it is necessary unless it is REALLY cold out there and the camera gets into equilibrium with the environment. When I do outdoor winter photography I generally keep the camera under my coat, pull it out for a few minutes while shooting, and tuck it back away again. I used this approach many years ago for a 1 week stretch of outdoor "camping" (actually, a military exercise) in Resolute Bay (i.e., never entered a warm environment; ambient temperature never above -35C). My biggest concern was the film cracking if I would have let it get cold. And today's biggest concern is probably battery life in the cold, so keep them warm in an inner pocket.

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Dec 5, 2018 19:26:38   #
halraiser
 
Be aware that wind chill is actually rather more complicate than that simple chart. As I understand it, the chart was developed using a simulation of a finger exposed to the air. Any clothing or other measure that prevents that exposure will reduce wind chill. And other body parts, being larger, will cool slower. As a mountaineer and mountain rescue volunteer I've been in some rather nasty storms and found that proper clothing for the conditions will prevent the effects of wind on my body temperature. That said, wind still drains energy as it takes more effort to fight that wind.

Dress in layers with a wind-blocking layer on the outside and insulating layers within. Do not over dress to the point of sweating since wet clothing loses insulation value and may even cause cooling. And remember to cover your head in the cold. The head gets priority on body resources and by nature the head and neck are not well insulated. A good balaclava and hat can prevent cold hands and feet since if the head and neck waste heat there may be none left for hands and feet.

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Dec 5, 2018 19:57:59   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
The problem with the formula is that at 0 F and 0 mph the wind chill is 35.74

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