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Nov 30, 2018 07:52:27   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
I tried that, lol!

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Nov 30, 2018 07:59:57   #
rond-photography Loc: Connecticut
 
I have the Pro 100 and had great difficulty getting good prints directly from Photoshop or Lightroom (PS was better, but required me to open it just to print).
I finally realized that there is a plug-in for the Canon Print Studio Pro that comes with the printer. In LR, click FILE | PLUGIN EXTRAS | CANON PRINT STUDIO PRO. Something similar in PhotoShop.

Once launched (which takes a horribly long time, unfortunately) pick the paper and cropping you are using, along with the ICC profile if used, and print.
I wasted a lot of paper by not using this app, but since I switched, I get good results every time.

Also note that, when talking to Canon support, they give recommendations base on using Print Studio Pro, so they might tell you something that won't make sense when you go to print from another app.

Lastly, I have not been able to find a way to launch it other than as a plug in, so if you are not using software that supports the Canon plug-in, you may not be able to go this route.

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Nov 30, 2018 08:04:06   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Ohhhh! That's dumb on Canon's part. One problem solved!

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Nov 30, 2018 08:18:13   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Downloading Print Studio Pro now! More later!

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Nov 30, 2018 08:28:15   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Download Print Studio Pro from Canon. Use Canon paper and ink. Problem solved.

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Nov 30, 2018 10:11:56   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
burkphoto wrote:
Okay... You may be onto something. The printer MAY need a head cleaning. You MAY be out of one or more inks, or the inks may be old. You MAY be using a paper which is not made for photographic reproduction, or you MAY not have an ICC profile for that paper. HOWEVER, your problem could be with your color management workflow… This MAY be a shot in the dark, but it's worth covering for the masses who read this site:

Questions to ask yourself about COLOR MANAGEMENT, perhaps the biggest challenge for most photographers:

#1 Am I using a decent DESKTOP monitor that has been properly calibrated with a colorimeter and software from DataColor or X-Rite? Monitor calibration is the first step in preparing a computer system for What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG) digital printing. Without precise calibration, you're just chasing your tail.

#2 Is my ICC color management path set up correctly? Here are two examples, one for JPEG capture at the camera, the other for raw capture and post-processing.

JPEG workflow:

After setting correct exposure, White Balance the camera for the light source in use. Custom or Preset or Manual white balance in reference to a proper target is recommended.

Set the ICC Profile in your camera menus. 98% of us should be using sRGB to avoid downstream problems. Adobe RGB is for the few pros who really understand what to do with it.

On the computer, you must have installed FOUR TYPES of profiles in the operating system: input/output profiles (sRGB and Adobe RGB), Monitor profiles (custom; see #1, above!), working space/connection space profiles (ProPhoto RGB and similar wide-gamut color profiles), and printer profiles (one for EACH combination of printer model, ink brand, and paper you will use)

When you open an image, it is converted from its profile to the working space profile you have chosen in your software preferences. Using a wide gamut profile will allow adjustment of the image without discarding any colors in the original file.

When viewing and adjusting the image, it is converted from the working space profile to your monitor profile. ONLY with a properly calibrated monitor, will you see what is ACTUALLY IN YOUR FILE.

When you save a file as TIFF, JPEG, .PNG, etc., you can choose the output profile:

>Leave the file in the working space if you are sending it to another application for additional processing. An example would be output from Lightroom to be opened in Photoshop later.

>Convert the file to sRGB for the Internet, most photo labs, and most commercial graphic arts printers (engravers and lithographers).

>Convert the file to Adobe RGB ONLY for labs or service bureaus or commercial printers who specifically ask for Adobe RGB.

When you PRINT a file, using a printer on your network or directly connected to your computer, you must choose the correct profile for the exact printer/paper/ink combination in use. MOST photo paper manufacturers will supply custom profiles for each of their PHOTO papers for a decent range of photo printers. The Canon Pro 100 is one such printer, as it is very popular. If you do not have a custom profile for the paper you wish to use, check the paper vendor's or manufacturer's web site for downloads. They should provide instructions for installing it on both Windows and Macintosh computers.

Applications such as Lightroom and Photoshop (and even Canon DPP and similar software that comes from other camera manufacturers) allow you to see a very very close simulation of what your printer will print. The key is to use "soft proofing." Soft proofing uses the PRINTER profile as a filter between your working space profile and your monitor profile. The result is that you can do final adjustments on an image that account reasonably well for differences in color gamut. Soft printing setup varies, according to the software. See the documentation or HELP file that comes with it. It's a really easy and important step.

Raw file workflow:

[Optional, but helpful] White balance the camera for the light source in use. Custom or Preset or Manual white balance in reference to a proper target is recommended. MOST raw processing software will open the raw file and make a conversion to a real image (bitmap) in reference to the EXIF data. So the white balance you set at the camera should be the white balance you see when you open the file. Of course, you can set ANY white balance you like in raw processing software, but often it is most helpful to start with something that is a decent reproduction of reality...

Set the ICC Profile in your camera menus. 98% of us should be using sRGB to avoid downstream problems. Adobe RGB is for the few pros who really understand what to do with it. The ICC profile setting in the camera menu ONLY AFFECTS THE PREVIEW IMAGE embedded in the raw file, and the EXIF table associated with it. So you can set any profile you want for output, during post-production.

On the computer, you must have installed FOUR TYPES of profiles in the operating system: input/output profiles (sRGB and Adobe RGB), Monitor profiles (custom; see #1, above!), working space/connection space profiles (ProPhoto RGB and similar wide-gamut color profiles), and printer profiles (one for EACH combination of printer model, ink brand, and paper you will use). For raw file conversions, you must also have your operating system up to date, and your Adobe Camera Raw up to date, at least to the point where your camera was first supported with a raw profile.

>Camera manufacturers do not share their raw conversion profiles. Adobe, Apple, Microsoft, and others have to create their own profiles for each new camera sold. So if your software is older than your camera, your camera probably isn't supported.

When you open a raw file, it is developed to a bitmap image that is then converted from its specific camera model profile to the working space profile you have chosen in your software preferences. Using a wide gamut working space profile will allow adjustment of the image without discarding any colors in the original file. When working from raw files, this allows you to use ALL the data the sensor captured, so you can get just the look you want.

When viewing and adjusting the bitmap of the converted raw data, it is converted from the working space profile to your monitor profile. ONLY with a properly calibrated monitor, will you see what is ACTUALLY IN YOUR FILE. Software such as Lightroom continuously saves a fresh, small JPEG proxy image of the file that is used only for viewing on the monitor during editing.

When you save a converted raw file as TIFF, JPEG, .PNG, etc., you can choose the output profile:

>Leave the file in the working space if you are sending it to another application for additional processing. An example would be 16-bit TIFF or PSD output from Lightroom to be opened in Photoshop on another computer.

>Convert the file to 8-bits and sRGB for the Internet, most photo labs, and most commercial printers.

>Convert the file to Adobe RGB ONLY for labs or service bureaus or commercial printers who ask for Adobe RGB.

When you PRINT a file, using a printer on your network or directly connected to your computer, you must choose the correct profile for the exact printer/paper/ink combination in use. MOST photo paper manufacturers will supply custom profiles for each of their papers for a decent range of photo printers. The Canon Pro 100 is one such printer, as it is very popular. If you do not have a custom profile for the paper you wish to use, check the paper vendor's or manufacturer's web site for downloads. They should provide instructions for installing it on Windows and Macintosh computers.

Applications such as Lightroom and Photoshop (and even Canon DPP and similar software that comes from other camera manufacturers) allow you to see a very very close simulation of what your printer will print. The key is to use "soft proofing." Soft proofing uses the PRINTER profile as a filter between your working space profile and your monitor profile. The result is that you can do final adjustments on an image that account reasonably well for differences in color gamut. Soft printing setup varies, according to the software. See the documentation or HELP file that comes with it. It's a really easy and important step.

Soft proofing is particularly important for seeing colors that are "out of gamut" on the particular device or in the particular profile for output that you want to use. Out of gamut colors are simply colors that are not reproducible by a certain device, or cannot be "contained" in a certain color space. You can adjust saturation, brightness, etc. to pull them back in gamut, all the while evaluating the look on the monitor until you like the compromise. This is most important when processing raw data into images, because the raw data from your camera probably contains colors that cannot be displayed by monitors or on printing papers!

Again, I may be shooting in the dark with this, regarding your specific problem, but other readers may very well benefit from it if you don't need it.
Okay... You may be onto something. The printer MAY... (show quote)



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Nov 30, 2018 10:16:18   #
CaptainPhoto
 
burkphoto - thank you for your long and very informative reply. I have a Canon Pro 10- which I have not set up yet. But all your input is so very helpful.

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Nov 30, 2018 10:34:43   #
Jrhoffman75 Loc: Conway, New Hampshire
 
"I have a Canon Pro 10- which I have not set up yet."

If you have a Mac you need to be sure you add the correct printer version. Download and install the latest driver from the Canon support website.

When you click the "+" icon to add a printer frequently the first version that appears is the AirPrint driver - you don't want that. It is a very limit capability driver supplied by Apple..

Wait a few minutes and the IJ Series driver will appear. That is the one you want. It is a Canon supplied driver and it utilizes the full capability of the printer.

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Nov 30, 2018 11:30:06   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
mizzee wrote:
Downloading Print Studio Pro now! More later!


If and when you call Canon this is what they would recommend you do anyway. It is the easiest way to get the printer to use the proper icc profile weather or not you are using Canon paper. When using other paper, you must read the profile comments from that paper manufacturer before you print. You must still choose a paper type i.e. glossy, semi-gloss, matt etc and also install the icc profile and choose that before printing.

But if you use Canon paper and ink, the Canon Print Studio Pro plugin will be VERY easy to setup and use. Easy as 1,2,3.

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Nov 30, 2018 12:44:28   #
loubee
 
Hi mizzen,
I'm not an expert on printing, but I took advantage of Canon's rebate for the Canon Pixma Pro, so I now own one!

I looked into getting some card stock & nicer paper to print images for gifts & my own Xmas Cards (what fun!)!

There's this great paper company, Red River Paper https://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/

And on their "support page" they have printer-color profiles & "oodles" printing facts: https://www.redrivercatalog.com/browse/

I hope this'll help! Louise



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Nov 30, 2018 12:47:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Jrhoffman75 wrote:
"I have a Canon Pro 10- which I have not set up yet."

If you have a Mac you need to be sure you add the correct printer version. Download and install the latest driver from the Canon support website.

When you click the "+" icon to add a printer frequently the first version that appears is the AirPrint driver - you don't want that. It is a very limit capability driver supplied by Apple..

Wait a few minutes and the IJ Series driver will appear. That is the one you want. It is a Canon supplied driver and it utilizes the full capability of the printer.
"I have a Canon Pro 10- which I have not set ... (show quote)


Yes! It’s worth checking for new drivers quarterly and then deleting the old setup and reinstalling with the new one.

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Nov 30, 2018 13:04:02   #
LP9
 
mizzee wrote:
I'm trying to print a little 4x6 image for Christmas cards on my Canon Pixma. Easy, right?! The images come out dingey and flat. No amount of saturation works. My laptop has been calibrated. I've downloaded the manual to my iPad, but it's nowhere to be found. I started a conversation with Canon, but was told to come back during normal business hours. Because I'm impatient, I'm hoping folks can help!

I don't use the printer very much at all, which I suspect is a large part of my problem. How does one clean the heads? I don't think it's an ink issue. The reds in particular are flat. I have a MacBook Pro and use Lightroom. Thanking you all in advance.
I'm trying to print a little 4x6 image for Christm... (show quote)


I have a Canon PRO-100 and it is a great printer. There is a "Maintenance" tab in the printer utility that allows you to maintain the print head. As to your "flat" color problem, it sounds like your image file is set up for CMYK printing. The PRO-100 produces the best results when the original file is R-G-B. If you use PhotoShop or a similar editing program, you can check the details of the image you are printing and change the attributes. In PhotoShop, the Mode attribute (CMYK, RGB, Grayscale, etc.) is available in the "Image" tab. Hope some of this helps.

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Nov 30, 2018 19:43:27   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
mizzee wrote:
I'm trying to print a little 4x6 image for Christmas cards on my Canon Pixma. Easy, right?! The images come out dingey and flat. No amount of saturation works. My laptop has been calibrated. I've downloaded the manual to my iPad, but it's nowhere to be found. I started a conversation with Canon, but was told to come back during normal business hours. Because I'm impatient, I'm hoping folks can help!

I don't use the printer very much at all, which I suspect is a large part of my problem. How does one clean the heads? I don't think it's an ink issue. The reds in particular are flat. I have a MacBook Pro and use Lightroom. Thanking you all in advance.
I'm trying to print a little 4x6 image for Christm... (show quote)


Sounds like fun. I've got a Canon PIXMA PRO-9000 Printer, a grand parent to the PRO-100. Canon does not supply Windows 10 drivers for my older printer but state that the Windows 7 ones should work. They seem to. My prints come out pretty nice. I'm not happy with the B&W ones though. The PRO-9000 only has a Black and no Grays for B&W, unlike the better PRO-100. Unfortunately without Windows 10 Drivers I can not customize my paper profiles. But somehow the color management seems to work OK for me.

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