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Nov 11, 2018 10:24:31   #
juanbalv Loc: Los Angeles / Hawthorne
 
Gender notwithstanding, a fart is a fart is a fart is a fart.
PeterBergh wrote:
Any old fart (such as myself) or fartess is likely to be a tempting target for a robber. The cure is to constantly be alert. People walking around with procto-cranial insertion are likely to be robbed, regardless of age.



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Nov 11, 2018 10:30:05   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
sv3noKin51E wrote:
Many atheists may learn that prayer is better than no hope.

In what ways is prayer better? Will prayer prevent your former neighbor from stealing your food? Will prayer keep your electrical appliances and electronics working even though an EMP has been set off? Just curious if you would clarify your assertion.

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Nov 11, 2018 10:42:54   #
Spider223
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Actually I gave specific information and authorization to be checked. The request was denied by the Army.
I will not ever tone down the concept of self defense for lame libs who the mere thought of self defense rather than depending on a government agency to come to your aid (After you are dead) and they just write a report. If that hurts you then I am sure you can find a safe zone to cower in until your therapist can see you.
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Nov 11, 2018 10:53:04   #
RickTaylor
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Let me preface my comments by saying, I have been a victim, I have had a close relative shot and I think Bipod is one of the worst trolls on this site.

But any one who thinks they are at increased risk of being murdered in a national park and concludes that a good idea is being armed with weapons meant only for use on fellow humans while in a park intended for the pleasurable use of all including children, has got something seriously wrong with them and should seek immediate help. That kind of bent thinking is shared by perpetrators of mass killings.
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To think that anyone who carries a side arm has something seriously wrong with them is a totally unfair statement. They are simply taking precautions as no one knows when or where lightning will strike. I would be willing to bet when you leave your home you lock your doors and set your security system. I’ll bet you even have a spare tire in your car in case of a flat. I respect your decision that a firearm is not your choice but you need to respect the right of anyone who chooses to carry without lumping them into the category of radical mass shooters. A firearm in the hands of a proficient and law abiding citizen is something I feel comfortable with. We are not all crazy lunatics. A policeman carries a firearm as a tool to do his job while on duty. While off duty he still carries his firearm. I’ll bet a plumber does not carry a pipe wrench when he takes his family to dinner.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:03:07   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Let me preface my comments by saying, I have been a victim, I have had a close relative shot and I think Bipod is one of the worst trolls on this site.

But any one who thinks they are at increased risk of being murdered in a national park and concludes that a good idea is being armed with weapons meant only for use on fellow humans while in a park intended for the pleasurable use of all including children, has got something seriously wrong with them and should seek immediate help. That kind of bent thinking is shared by perpetrators of mass killings.
Let me preface my comments by saying, I have been ... (show quote)


Well sir, the aforementioned robbery on myself actually took place in a park, and had I not been armed the thugs would have succeeded! It has been documented that millions of times a year firearms are used to prevent or terminate felony crimes against persons. That doesn't always mean that the perp has to be terminated. Robbery is the forcible stealing of ones property under threat of serious physical injury or deadly force. That can be accomplished without a weapon, i.e. numerous perps against one victim, age difference, sex difference, to give a few examples. If you choose not to be armed I'm perfectly fine with that, but don't claim that my choice to be armed is wrong because you don't like it.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:04:11   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
RickTaylor wrote:
To think that anyone who carries a side arm has something seriously wrong with them is a totally unfair statement. They are simply taking precautions as no one knows when or where lightning will strike. I would be willing to bet when you leave your home you lock your doors and set your security system. I’ll bet you even have a spare tire in your car in case of a flat. I respect your decision that a firearm is not your choice but you need to respect the right of anyone who chooses to carry without lumping them into the category of radical mass shooters. A firearm in the hands of a proficient and law abiding citizen is something I feel comfortable with. We are not all crazy lunatics. A policeman carries a firearm as a tool to do his job while on duty. While off duty he still carries his firearm. I’ll bet a plumber does not carry a pipe wrench when he takes his family to dinner.
To think that anyone who carries a side arm has so... (show quote)


Well I guess it is good I did not say "anyone who carries a side arm has something seriously wrong with them" But it is typical NRA thinking to take things out of context.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:17:36   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Bipod wrote:
Two things puzzle me:

1. Why would any adult male think that srtangers in a park want to kill him?
Rob? Sure. But kill? Why? Motiveless crimes do occur, but they are quite rare.

2. How did we get from this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


to this:

people wanting to carry a concealed pistol in a park order to shoot "dirtbags" under the pretext
of self-defense?

And clearly, it is a pretext: a robbery attempt does not justify a homicide.

There is another term for these "dirtbags": fellow Americans. Human beings.
Two things puzzle me: br br 1. Why would any adul... (show quote)



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Nov 11, 2018 11:25:47   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
RickTaylor wrote:
According to your theory anyone should just give up their possessions to another person that wants to take them. I fail to see how you can refer to a dirtbag like this a human being? They are a theif pure and simple. What about the victims unalienable rights?. Are his less important than the theif? Your theory is full of holes which is a typical liberal response. I am willing to bet you have never worked a day in your life for anything, instead relying on government handouts or a way to work the system for your benefit. A discussion with you is like arguing with a drunk, you just don’t get it and never will.
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A firearm and a bad attitude is a poor substitute for camera insurance. Killing thieves is illegal, and the consequences of such, unless you are killing a thief who has pulled gun on you, will be far worse than losing a few pieces of camera gear. Again, It's just not worth it. Carry insurance instead of firearms.

Here is some food for thought, based on fact and not some BS touted by the gun lobby or the NRA:

"According to a Harvard University analysis of figures from the National Crime Victimization Survey, people defended themselves with a gun in nearly 0.9 percent of crimes from 2007 to 2011.

David Hemenway, who led the Harvard research, argues that the risks of owning a gun outweigh the benefits of having one in the rare case where you might need to defend yourself.

"The average person ... has basically no chance in their lifetime ever to use a gun in self-defense," he tells Here & Now's Robin Young. "But ... every day, they have a chance to use the gun inappropriately. They have a chance, they get angry. They get scared.""

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

Seems like there is at least one argument that is really full of holes here.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:29:45   #
DMZX
 
berchman wrote:
That's a beautiful Shepherd. How do you know for sure that he would defend you if you were held up? Do you know this because it already happened or is it just that you believe he would?


My dog is very attuned to my state of mind. If someone is making me a little nervous or suspicious, his demeanor is totally different than that of a friendly/how's it going, encounter.

He is not a schutzhund dog. He is a trail companion. Curious and friendly. But...rest assured his pedigree instincts are there.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:40:05   #
bertloomis Loc: Fort Worth, Texas
 
Carry pepper spray, the king that will generate a stream that goes 15 feet or more. Not the kind that just creates a mist.

I feel just like you do.

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Nov 11, 2018 11:40:07   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Back in the 70's things were much simpler. Among the things listed on the card they gave me with my carry permit were a list of reason to use deadly force. To prevent a felony, and to prevent somebody from leaving the scene of a felony were part of the list.

I was managing a gas station at the time. The verbal instructions from the local police captain was in case of a robbery give them the money. What followed was to let them get out the door and blow the back of their head off, as it will be easier to clean up outside. Finally, make sure they are dead as there is less paperwork.

We won the Cold War by having superior fire power. We are having issues with North Korea today only because back in the 50's the politicians wouldn't let us use it. They made the same mistake in Viet Nam.

More fire power equals more protection, but only if you know how and when to use it.

Happy Veterans Day

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Nov 11, 2018 12:02:51   #
RickTaylor
 
dsmeltz wrote:
Well I guess it is good I did not say "anyone who carries a side arm has something seriously wrong with them" But it is typical NRA thinking to take things out of context.


I respectfully disagree again as per your wording it was strongly implied. Again your last statement typical NRA thinking you are again lumping is all In the same category. Your statements are amazing as you don’t even realize your own ignorance.

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Nov 11, 2018 12:52:00   #
lowkick Loc: Connecticut
 
nimbushopper wrote:
Well said Rick! He obviously has never been the victim of a felon, nor has anyone close to him. As soon as that happens his attitude will do a 180!


Are you aware of the saying that, “a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet”?

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Nov 11, 2018 13:07:24   #
Benzzeze Loc: Tucson, Arizona
 
lev29 wrote:
Pepper spray sounds like a good idea in a compact form and I don’t believe a state permit is required anywhere! Besides, as those Hogs who are NRA members would point out, just like their revered POTUS reiterated in commenting on that Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting, "If an armed guard had been, this shooting could’ve been avoided."

Isn’t he wise? So there you go, JHS, just hire an armed bodyguard and you’re sure to be okay ... unless, of course, you and the guard are surprised by an armed criminal, and then you’ll just be dead anyway.

If permitted, how about carrying mace around with you, or maybe a Tazer? No, that’s probably insufficient. And a .357 peashooter? Why stop there? Bring an Uzi or a bazooka with you. That’s the ticket!

Seriously, JHS, I suggest you do what I do: keep a charged cellphone with you and don’t visit neighborhoods alone where thugs lurk, no ifs, ands, or buts. Sure beats packing heat!
Pepper spray sounds like a good idea in a compact ... (show quote)


Not all threats come in human form. Being prepared to protect yourself with a firearm is a wise and practical solution and has nothing to do with weapons being used by deranged people who want to kill people.

I have three handguns in my possession when I'm on the road or out in the country. One for self-defense while in the car and the other two based on calibers for what I might encounter in the wild. The right to defend yourself is exactly that, a right and it's not a political issue. Therefore, I agree with other comments that carrying a firearm and a good cell phone are two ways to alleviate your fears as you get older. Also, staying aware of your surroundings and not getting yourself stuck in a place you should not be is also a good idea, (i.e. don't get as close to the edge of the canyon that you used to get).

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Nov 11, 2018 13:27:11   #
nimbushopper Loc: Tampa, FL
 
lowkick wrote:
Are you aware of the saying that, “a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet”?



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