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Oct 24, 2018 13:38:02   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thanks for attaching pics and your comment. Am aware the 100-400 is still a bit heavy but it is half the weight of the 150-600.
jsmangis wrote:
Grace, I recently tried both the new Tamron 100-400 and 150-600 at an outing Tamron held with our local camera shop at a wildlife park near my home. The image of the turkey was shot with the 100-400, and the image of the fawn was shot with the 100-600. Both were hand held, and although the 166-400 is lighter than the 150-600, it is still quite heavy.

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Oct 24, 2018 13:39:54   #
rusty66
 
I bought the Tamron 18-400 to use with my Nikon 7000 a few months ago. I had rented a Nikon 18-300 a few times beforehand. I love the Tamron and think it is sharper than the Nikon. I have used it a fair amount at both ends and in-between for sports and people shots. I couldn't be happier. I would suggest you seriously look at that one vs the 100-400mm. There are times when the wide end really comes in handy.

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Oct 24, 2018 13:48:21   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thank you so much for all this information. Unfortunately beggars cannot be chosers and cannot afford to spend more than $1000 if possible as have alteady spent a lot in upgrading to the D7500. Have looked at all the lenses and I think the best would be the Tamron 100-400.I've already read Bryan's review and his comments are good. Thanks for the other links which will go through later. Grace
amfoto1 wrote:
Nikon's own AF-S 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G VR is excellent... "pro quality" or nearly so... It's also your "fastest" option. I.e., it maintains larger apertures to zoomed focal lengths well beyond what the 3rd party lenses do... Although considerably lighter than any of the 150-600s, it's about 1/2 lb. or more heavier than the 3rd party 100-400 lenses and rather pricey ($2300).

Sigma's 100-400mm f/5-6.3 OS HSM is the least expensive ($700), but there's no means of attaching a tripod mounting ring. It's slightly smaller and lighter than the Tammy, but also the slowest... It starts out at f/5 and the variable aperture steps down at shorter focal lengths than the others. For example, it drops from f/5 to f/5.6 at only 112mm. The Tamron starts at f/4.5 and doesn't stop down to f/5.6 until 181mm. Both these lenses end up at the same f/6.3... the Sigma at 234mm and the Tamron at 281mm. (In comparison, the Nikkor and Canon variants end up at f/5.6... the Nikkor doesn't stop down that far until 250mm and the Canon until 312mm).

Tamron's SP 100-400mm f/4.5-6.3 VC USD is $800, a little more expensive than the Sigma, but has the option to add a tripod mounting ring. There's add'l cost of $129 for the ring, but I wouldn't want to have a 400mm lens without one and Tamron's is a neat design that incorporates an Arca-Swiss compatible dovetail (I really wish all manufacturers would do that!) As noted, it's slightly faster than the Sigma through much of it's zoom range.

As a Nikon shooter it doesn't help you, but IMO the Canon 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6L IS USM II is the best of the bunch. It's the only one of them that uses fluorite, which helps it have superb image quality at all focal lengths, is pro quality build and performance, and while not cheap at $2000, costs a little less than the Nikkor.

All these lenses have image stabilization and high performance ring type ultrasonic focus drive. They weigh roughly 3 to 3.5 lb. (with hood and tripod ring, where avail.) and are pretty close to the same size. The Nikkor and Canon are fairly large diameter and use 77mm filters. The slower third party lenses are a little smaller diameter (which is why they have smaller apertures) and use 67mm filters.

Any of these lenses will outperform "do it all" zooms like 18-300mm and 18-400mm in most ways.... better image quality, faster auto focus, better build, better weather sealing, yada, yada.

For BIF specifically, I don't use any longer than 400mm... have often used 200 to 300mm, in fact. Some critters will be out of reach, but longer than 400mm on an APS-C camera is often just too difficult to manage for fast moving subjects.

None of these lenses are great candidates to use with a 1.4X teleconverter. It's possible, but especially with BIF where you need fairly fast shutter speeds, you'll need very good light since about the best you'll get with a TC added will be f/7.1, f/8, or f/9 apertures.

You can compare these lenses' specification, sample image quality test shots and much more at https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Tamron-100-400mm-f-4.5-6.3-Di-VC-USD-Lens.aspx

Bryan doesn't fully review most Nikon gear (he's a Canon shooter). But he has informative reviews of both the 3rd party lenses and some info/image quality samples for the Nikkor as well, making possible close comparison.

Below also can be a useful means of confirming and comparing the specs of up to four different lenses:

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Nikon_AF-S_NIKKOR_80-400mm_f_4.5-5.6G_ED_VR_Lens_vs_Tamron_100-400mm_f_4.5-6.3_Di_VC_USD_Lens_for_Nikon_F_vs_Sigma_100-400mm_f_5-6.3_DG_OS_HSM_Contemporary_Lens_for_Nikon_F_vs_Canon_EF_100-400mm_f_4.5-5.6L_IS_II_USM_Lens/BHitems/936121-REG_1362803-REG_1321313-REG_1092632-REG
Nikon's own AF-S 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6G VR is excelle... (show quote)

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Oct 24, 2018 14:46:57   #
Moondoggie Loc: Southern California
 
I have a Tamron 18-400mm on a D5300 Nikon. I really like the flexibility of the zoom range. I can hand hold it for most shots. If I’m going to have it around my neck all day, I use an Optitek (Amazon or B&H) around my waist to help support the camera. It takes the weight off your neck and allows you to use both hands for other tasks. I spent hours reading reviews on this Tamron lens and most liked the lens. My friend and I both bought this lens.

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Oct 24, 2018 14:47:32   #
LCD
 
I opted for the 100-400 too because the 100-650 was so unwieldy. The Canon 100-400 that I got is, as said, a great lens. But the Tamron, which I also tested out, is nearly as sharp, but lighter and less expensive. Like you, I found that 300mm did not have quite the reach I wanted. My 24-130 and the 100-400 are a good traveling combination.

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Oct 24, 2018 21:12:13   #
texaseve Loc: TX, NC and NH
 
I love my Nikon 80-400mm awesome lens! Not heavy either.

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Oct 25, 2018 02:05:01   #
sv3noKin51E
 
Grace, we have an equal mix of Nikon zoom (and single focus) Nikon and Tamron glass. If all I had was three days to rent and shoot, our V1/A011's (AP150-600mm) might not have ever had a chance to stay; it seems awesomely huge if you aren't able to have extended time to get used to it. We bought an open box/demo G1, and loved it so much, we bought a second new copy when the G2 came out, and the price dropped. We tried the G2 for two weeks; for the price and bit of extra weight, I couldn't figure what the buzz was about. The original A011 did and does everything for me as well as the G2 did in side by side tests, on every body we tested, DX and FX. If you have tender/delicate wrists, isometrics and other exercise can help; I pick up our Shitzu several times a day; he's much more of a handful than this lens. Arthritis made the G1/G2 a love it or leave it proposition, and after a week, it was here to stay. Never tried this Tammy with a monopod but tripods and gimbals are made for this one, and a tether is an indispensable insurance policy. I don't do extended outings over a couple of hours due to a shoulder replacement, so exercise keeps me working; wife says it too big for her to use but doesn't mind hanging onto it while I'm futzing with other gear. Packing the $10K Nikon equivalent was much more of a chore. I'll spend an hour with the 150-600 each day, handheld or mounted on the tripod/gimbal, tracking the local eagles and various other critters roaming our sky and property. We have woods and two connected valleys; can't beat country living. Recently saw Adorama had of couple of pre-owned G1s for $600, in extremely good condition; they vanished quickly. I wish these had been available around in decades when I was working/traveling cross-country in film/wooden-shutter days.

My 2nd Tammy favorite is the 44oz 175D, 200-400mm AF, used whenever the A011 isn't. It was panned by over the years, and they're rather hard to find. Skip the $35 ebay examples, but good ones bring upwards of $175; we found ours at Adorama and wouldn't ever with it. It's great handheld in the car, sharp/fast and good on a monopod or gimball. I like the Nikkor H300 Auto AiS as much the 175D. The Tammy 185D 28-300mm went out of production in 1999, it's short/light/fast and isn't an 18-400 VCII by any stretch, which is what those two would be replaced with. The little B018, 18-200 VCII is sweet and the shortest zoom we use. Normally don't wax on about the joys of our beloved older Tammys, but in context the 150-600mm is already classic and destined for greatness in the large lens hall of fame. Good luck whatever lens you choose and happy shooting. sv

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Oct 25, 2018 08:28:34   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thank you for replying. I did think about the 18-400 but, as already have the Nikon 18-300, I don't really want another wide-angled one.uote=rusty66]I bought the Tamron 18-400 to use with my Nikon 7000 a few months ago. I had rented a Nikon 18-300 a few times beforehand. I love the Tamron and think it is sharper than the Nikon. I have used it a fair amount at both ends and in-between for sports and people shots. I couldn't be happier. I would suggest you seriously look at that one vs the 100-400mm. There are times when the wide end really comes in handy.[/quote]

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Oct 25, 2018 08:29:56   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thank you. I did consider this at one point but as I already have the 18-300, I sort of don't want two wide-angled lenses.
Moondoggie wrote:
I have a Tamron 18-400mm on a D5300 Nikon. I really like the flexibility of the zoom range. I can hand hold it for most shots. If I’m going to have it around my neck all day, I use an Optitek (Amazon or B&H) around my waist to help support the camera. It takes the weight off your neck and allows you to use both hands for other tasks. I spent hours reading reviews on this Tamron lens and most liked the lens. My friend and I both bought this lens.

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Oct 25, 2018 08:31:57   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thank you for your reply. It seems that people who've got this lens are very pleased with it.
LCD wrote:
I opted for the 100-400 too because the 100-650 was so unwieldy. The Canon 100-400 that I got is, as said, a great lens. But the Tamron, which I also tested out, is nearly as sharp, but lighter and less expensive. Like you, I found that 300mm did not have quite the reach I wanted. My 24-130 and the 100-400 are a good traveling combination.

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Oct 25, 2018 08:34:55   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thanks....have looked at this as well but heavier than the Tamron and twice the price.
texaseve wrote:
I love my Nikon 80-400mm awesome lens! Not heavy either.

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Oct 25, 2018 08:43:37   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thank you for your reply. I was gutted that I found the G2 too heavy and decided against it. I live in a small town so no amazing birds/wildlife around (unless you're interested in squirrels and pigeons!!). So when I want to shoot birds or other wildlife I have to travel some distance and spend a whole day out. Carrying this camera + tripod or monopod (and more weight if you have a gimbal) plus a backpack with refreshments etc is too much...I had rented the G2 for 3 days and was out with it and walked five miles per day...I can't handhold it and keep it steady at 600mm at all.
sv3noKin51E wrote:
Grace, we have an equal mix of Nikon zoom (and single focus) Nikon and Tamron glass. If all I had was three days to rent and shoot, our V1/A011's (AP150-600mm) might not have ever had a chance to stay; it seems awesomely huge if you aren't able to have extended time to get used to it. We bought an open box/demo G1, and loved it so much, we bought a second new copy when the G2 came out, and the price dropped. We tried the G2 for two weeks; for the price and bit of extra weight, I couldn't figure what the buzz was about. The original A011 did and does everything for me as well as the G2 did in side by side tests, on every body we tested, DX and FX. If you have tender/delicate wrists, isometrics and other exercise can help; I pick up our Shitzu several times a day; he's much more of a handful than this lens. Arthritis made the G1/G2 a love it or leave it proposition, and after a week, it was here to stay. Never tried this Tammy with a monopod but tripods and gimbals are made for this one, and a tether is an indispensable insurance policy. I don't do extended outings over a couple of hours due to a shoulder replacement, so exercise keeps me working; wife says it too big for her to use but doesn't mind hanging onto it while I'm futzing with other gear. Packing the $10K Nikon equivalent was much more of a chore. I'll spend an hour with the 150-600 each day, handheld or mounted on the tripod/gimbal, tracking the local eagles and various other critters roaming our sky and property. We have woods and two connected valleys; can't beat country living. Recently saw Adorama had of couple of pre-owned G1s for $600, in extremely good condition; they vanished quickly. I wish these had been available around in decades when I was working/traveling cross-country in film/wooden-shutter days.

My 2nd Tammy favorite is the 44oz 175D, 200-400mm AF, used whenever the A011 isn't. It was panned by over the years, and they're rather hard to find. Skip the $35 ebay examples, but good ones bring upwards of $175; we found ours at Adorama and wouldn't ever with it. It's great handheld in the car, sharp/fast and good on a monopod or gimball. I like the Nikkor H300 Auto AiS as much the 175D. The Tammy 185D 28-300mm went out of production in 1999, it's short/light/fast and isn't an 18-400 VCII by any stretch, which is what those two would be replaced with. The little B018, 18-200 VCII is sweet and the shortest zoom we use. Normally don't wax on about the joys of our beloved older Tammys, but in context the 150-600mm is already classic and destined for greatness in the large lens hall of fame. Good luck whatever lens you choose and happy shooting. sv
Grace, we have an equal mix of Nikon zoom (and sin... (show quote)

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Oct 25, 2018 16:44:01   #
Dallas P
 
I love mine, and previous comments by those who have one seem accurate. Here's the first picture I took with it:



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Oct 25, 2018 17:49:34   #
sv3noKin51E
 
Grace, A friend retired from teaching and due to carpel tunnel syndrome isn't able to handle a larger lens. She used to spend the weekends camping, shooting wildlife during the day and the stars at night and now uses an 18-400. Before relocating to the country, we lived in the state capital, many opportunities to shoot historical landmarks, wildlife in city/state parks and along the river. I've used backpacks, and still use a modified shoulder bag at times. Some have remarked that photography harnesses tend to make photographers look like they're sporting a baby-carrier rig, though I've never seen an infant with Nikon stamped on the front. I'm terribly fashion conscious, but the harness I use now has eliminated most of the pain an fatigue caused by heavy packs/bags I used. All that's needed is to slip the lens in the case, clip the camera on and go; the critters have never been spooked by the harness, unstylish as it may look on some but in some situations function outweighs form.. It's much better suited for warm weather and a good sling bag and assistant is hard to beat. A fully balanced load of 15 to 20 lbs works better for me than a 50 lb backpack. This wouldn't work for overnight camping trips and cheaper harnesses need a lot of modification.

I have a pocket for snacks/energy bars and a platypus water reservoir for a liter (or more) of water. The Tammy lens case (whatever size) clips to the harness on the side or back. The Torkia case ($15 from Amz) for the 150-600 is as good as the Lowepro it replaced, and fits like a glove. The lens removes easily by grasping the lens foot. The tripod/monopod adds about 3 pounds and clips on the other side or on back of the harness. Using only the carbon monopod alone would cut the tripod weight in half. Instead of dragging a gimbal around on country walks, a rest steadies the lens instead of attaching the lens foot each to the tripod each time the camera comes off the rig ( https://www.amazon.com/Hammers-Attachment-Positional-Precision-Shooting/dp/B076NZM5RR/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1540483521&sr=8-8&keywords=tripod+attachments ). Good luck and good shooting. sv

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Oct 26, 2018 09:03:51   #
Grace98 Loc: Waterlooville, Hampshire - United Kingdom
 
Thanks. I'm presuming you mean the 100-400? Sharp picture.
Dallas P wrote:
I love mine, and previous comments by those who have one seem accurate. Here's the first picture I took with it:

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