The end of the DSLR?
Oct 22, 2018 09:10:51 #
Oct 22, 2018 09:28:42 #
No, it's not the end for DSLRs!
markwilliam1 wrote:
With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?
Oct 22, 2018 09:35:18 #
It’s all cost. There so many people entering the digital age and,starting with Nikon d3200 etc. and after awhile moving up to a D7100 a few years later and then on to full frame . I would venture to say the majority of their sales that Nikon and Canon mid range crop sensor . Not too many beginners or advanced amateurs are going to buy mirrorless.
Oct 22, 2018 09:39:26 #
wds0410
Loc: Nunya
markwilliam1 wrote:
With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?
Seems inevitable to me over time. Nothing lasts forever and the only thing that never changes is change.
Oct 22, 2018 09:43:53 #
I use both DSLR and mirrorless models of several different brands. The biggest difference to me is battery life. I shoot a lot, day in and day out, so battery life is a real issue. When I take a trip with mirrorless I've got batteries charging in the car and hotels at night. Other than that I don't really care which I use as long as the finder and screen are high resolution. I love adapting legacy lenses to mirrorless. I use almost all brands. I'm a photography teacher and need to know whats going on in all cameras so I buy, trade, and sell in order to keep up with technology. Mirrorless is definately a coming trend, but I think DSLRs will be around for awhile.
Oct 22, 2018 09:45:25 #
[quote=markwilliam1]With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?[/quote
Of course there’s no way to know. To cite some more or less analogous technological changes: the car replaced the horse and buggy, but radios did not disappear with the advent of television, and jet engines replaced piston engines in some types of aircraft but not others, and as someone else said, the tablet did not replace the laptop or the desktop computer. In recorded music we went from analog to digital, and then through various form of digital, but oddly enough analog recording remain as a very high end niche market. You can choose which one you think applies to cameras.
For photography, I would say the move from film to digital was a revolutionary change, but DSLR to mirrorless isn’t, and film remains a high end niche. My guess is that DSLRs will keep a respectable market share as long as Canon, Nikon and/or Pentax are investing in continuously improving them. Of course that’s circular, since if/when DSLR sales don’t justify the ongoing investment from two or three companies, they’ll become another niche product. In other words, as I said at the start, there’s no way to know how this will end up.
Of course there’s no way to know. To cite some more or less analogous technological changes: the car replaced the horse and buggy, but radios did not disappear with the advent of television, and jet engines replaced piston engines in some types of aircraft but not others, and as someone else said, the tablet did not replace the laptop or the desktop computer. In recorded music we went from analog to digital, and then through various form of digital, but oddly enough analog recording remain as a very high end niche market. You can choose which one you think applies to cameras.
For photography, I would say the move from film to digital was a revolutionary change, but DSLR to mirrorless isn’t, and film remains a high end niche. My guess is that DSLRs will keep a respectable market share as long as Canon, Nikon and/or Pentax are investing in continuously improving them. Of course that’s circular, since if/when DSLR sales don’t justify the ongoing investment from two or three companies, they’ll become another niche product. In other words, as I said at the start, there’s no way to know how this will end up.
Oct 22, 2018 09:50:03 #
The DSLR is a dinosaur but it will go down slowly because most photographers have a big investment in that dinosaur and will not change. At least they won't make a total change any time soon. Eventually the new photographers building a system will turn their back on the "old style" camera and it will slowly but steadily loose ground. But, it will still be with us for a long time to some degree.
Oct 22, 2018 10:11:07 #
markwilliam1 wrote:
With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?
Emphasis on the word slow. I think this will be a generational event. The younger set are being brought up on digital only media and for them that is all they will ever need or want.
The DSLR offers some advantages such as frame rate for wildlife photography that the mirrorless cameras can not yet attain. Someday though I see that hurdle also being overcome.
So someday (not in my lifetime) the DSLR will cease to be made, but will remain available for years due to the sheer number of camera bodies and lenses that exist. Slowly the Mirrorless will take precedent and then that to will succumb to the ever improving cameras in phones or some not yet devised hybrid image capture device.
But this is all conjecture. We won't live to see it and we're all just wasting our breath. So as Alfred E. Newman says "What? Me Worry?"
Oct 22, 2018 10:12:25 #
markwilliam1 wrote:
With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?
NO. My new Nikon mirrorless is not the correct piece of equipment for wildlife photography, but it is good for all else.
Oct 22, 2018 10:12:48 #
markwilliam1 wrote:
With all the major players going mirrorless is this the slow end for DSLRs?
I suspect for individuals it will be a gradual demise with some holding out forever just like film. However with competition coming from multiple sources manufacturing of new models will likely increase in cost quickly and cease as the economy of scale is lost and the sell prices skyrocket.
Mirrorless camera as we know them today will also have their turn at obsolescence as cell phones advance in versatility and convenience. The latest models have features that were unimaginable just a few years ago. The phones are not only displacing cameras but computers as well.
DSLRs ended for me this year.
Oct 22, 2018 10:20:59 #
BobHartung wrote:
Emphasis on the word slow. I think this will be a generational event. The younger set are being brought up on digital only media and for them that is all they will ever need or want.
The DSLR offers some advantages such as frame rate for wildlife photography that the mirrorless cameras can not yet attain. Someday though I see that hurdle also being overcome.
The DSLR offers some advantages such as frame rate for wildlife photography that the mirrorless cameras can not yet attain. Someday though I see that hurdle also being overcome.
Sony's A9 and Fujifilm's X-T3 have faster frame rates than any DSLR...20fps and 30fps respectively.
Oct 22, 2018 10:24:00 #
Oct 22, 2018 10:34:12 #
olemikey
Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
I have not yet looked through an EVF that I like as much as my OVF models (and I do have some EVF cameras). I do think it nice that we have so many options, you just have to pick the right one for you.
Oct 22, 2018 10:35:13 #
I just got done lugging my D7200 w/18 -300 lens around parts of Europe. I was in the apple store to purchase a new iMac. I commented on that trip & asked the sales associate about photos & my camera when she pulled out an iPhone 10s that had over 15,000 photos on it. She does use iCloud for $10.00 per month. She use to be a professional videographer and told me she retired her DLSRs. I was amazed at the quality of her photos on that iPhone. So much so, that I am considering lugging one around on my next trip. Alas, some things don’t stay the same for very long. Mirrorless cameras and other inventions are inevitable but I still like my DLSR for now. Some iPhones now shoot in raw.
Oct 22, 2018 10:36:10 #
Think about this- perhaps all this high technology will be the END of folks depending on talent, skill, resourcefulness and real creativity in photography. Over the years there have seen some incredibly great images made with cameras that most of y'all would not consider anything more than a doorstop or a paperweight.
For me, photography is my job- I shoot just about every day in order to keep my business going and earn a living. I like cameras that don't get in my way and present a barrier or delay between me and what I am shooting. I don't want a viewfinder with so much data that it looks like the flight deck of an airliner. All I need is f/stops, shutter speeds, and a focus mechanism and a little automation is convenient when necessary- the rest is window dressing that I have to pay for but seldom need. I buy the lenses that I need for the work that I do. Many of my images are used in large commercial displays so they gotta be sharp so I invest in good glass. I have to invest in heavy duty lighting gear but most of it is big but simple- unfortunately, small speedlights are expensive "toys" in comparison to what I need to have.
The photographic equipment business is just like every other successful industry. They have to constantly come up with new products and promote them. Distributors and retailers are part of the "food chain" they all have their place and jobs to do. I certainly don't resent their efforts and they are all entitled to prosper. If not for the manufacturers' research, development and engineering there would be no technological innovation and progress in photogray. The distributors and retailers do the importation and keep us supplied with what we need or want. I appreciate all of this- I use cameras and related gear, I don't invent it, make it or bring it to market. I have a studio, not a camera store.
In a free enterprise and free market society, supply and demand will determine what's hot and what's not.
My advice for folks who are looking to buy a new camera, get into a system or upgrade to something new is simple. Work backward from your individual requirements and budget. When you settle on a brand or type the next step is go directly to the dealer and hande the equipment. Look for cameras that feel ergonomically compatible with your hands and your level of dexterity. Choose one with a comfortable weight, center of gravity and size so you don't end up fumbling with unwieldy gear. You needn't be an avid camera collector to be a good photographer! Spend your time and money on learning to operate you gear to the point where it becomes second nature and then concentrate on your art!
For me, photography is my job- I shoot just about every day in order to keep my business going and earn a living. I like cameras that don't get in my way and present a barrier or delay between me and what I am shooting. I don't want a viewfinder with so much data that it looks like the flight deck of an airliner. All I need is f/stops, shutter speeds, and a focus mechanism and a little automation is convenient when necessary- the rest is window dressing that I have to pay for but seldom need. I buy the lenses that I need for the work that I do. Many of my images are used in large commercial displays so they gotta be sharp so I invest in good glass. I have to invest in heavy duty lighting gear but most of it is big but simple- unfortunately, small speedlights are expensive "toys" in comparison to what I need to have.
The photographic equipment business is just like every other successful industry. They have to constantly come up with new products and promote them. Distributors and retailers are part of the "food chain" they all have their place and jobs to do. I certainly don't resent their efforts and they are all entitled to prosper. If not for the manufacturers' research, development and engineering there would be no technological innovation and progress in photogray. The distributors and retailers do the importation and keep us supplied with what we need or want. I appreciate all of this- I use cameras and related gear, I don't invent it, make it or bring it to market. I have a studio, not a camera store.
In a free enterprise and free market society, supply and demand will determine what's hot and what's not.
My advice for folks who are looking to buy a new camera, get into a system or upgrade to something new is simple. Work backward from your individual requirements and budget. When you settle on a brand or type the next step is go directly to the dealer and hande the equipment. Look for cameras that feel ergonomically compatible with your hands and your level of dexterity. Choose one with a comfortable weight, center of gravity and size so you don't end up fumbling with unwieldy gear. You needn't be an avid camera collector to be a good photographer! Spend your time and money on learning to operate you gear to the point where it becomes second nature and then concentrate on your art!
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