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Oct 7, 2018 17:54:25   #
BebuLamar
 
tdekany wrote:
Are you guys living under rocks? Think back 50 years ago, compare technology from 1968 to today. How do you know what innovations we will enjoy in the future?


Well 50 years ago it was 1968 and I would much rather use the Nikon F of the days than today IPhone XS for taking pictures.

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Oct 7, 2018 17:54:31   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rmalarz wrote:
I use an iPhone, but primarily for only one application that only runs on that phone. I still don't think of it as a means to take a photograph. I have cameras that outperform cell phones.
--Bob


When you don’t have a real camera with you, the iPhone outperforms all of them. Very narrow minded on your part.

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Oct 7, 2018 17:56:40   #
mgoldfield
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Depend what you define as replace. If you mean there will be a lot of people using cell phone instead of cameras for taking pictures then yes. If you mean that the cell phone will actually work better than my present camera then no.


I agree, but I don't like setting up a shot and compromising the result by using my smartphone.
I've found a solution: I dug up my Casio Z40 (2004) 4MP full function digital camera. It's very much like an early version of a P&S. It writes to an SD card, has a removable Li-ion battery and an LCD screen.

Unlike most digital cameras I've seen, it can write images to its own internal memory. It can also copy said images to an SD card and even copy images on an SD card to its internal memory.

It can display a histogram before you take a shot and display a histogram of images stored on the SD card. The camera itself has a Pentax zoom lens along with a digital zoom. It's body is all metal, very small and as light as a feather.

It's easy to take along everywhere, and it beats the hell out of any smartphone.

Check it out: https://www.exilim.eu/euro/exilimzoom/exz40/

M. Goldfield

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Oct 7, 2018 17:56:55   #
BebuLamar
 
tdekany wrote:
When you don’t have a real camera with you, the iPhone outperforms all of them. Very narrow minded on your part.


Not really I don't have to take pictures when I don't have a camera.

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Oct 7, 2018 18:03:02   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
No, just lack of interest. I just completely forget the phone has the ability to capture images. But then, I usually have a camera with me 99% of the time I leave the house.
--Bob
tdekany wrote:
When you don’t have a real camera with you, the iPhone outperforms all of them. Very narrow minded on your part.

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Oct 7, 2018 18:06:07   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Well 50 years ago it was 1968 and I would much rather use the Nikon F of the days than today IPhone XS for taking pictures.


It isn’t about what we prefer, it is about the claim that a cellphone will NEVER OUTPERFORM a traditional camera. Look at the advancement we had made in the last 50 years. You can’t even imagine the next 50 years. All you have to look at is the investment that goes into smartphone camera sensors vs what is spent on real camera sensors. With that said, I always have my camera bag with me, so I don’t use my iPhone for photography, but those who do and have skills, produce better photos with iPhones than you and I will ever could.

https://www.ippawards.com/2017-photographers-of-the-year/

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Oct 7, 2018 18:10:12   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
rmalarz wrote:
I just completely forget the phone has the ability to capture images. --Bob


Unless you had dementia, no one would buy the above claim. Lol!

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Oct 7, 2018 18:15:27   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
rmalarz wrote:
I use an iPhone, but primarily for only one application that only runs on that phone. I still don't think of it as a means to take a photograph. I have cameras that outperform cell phones.
--Bob


Most of us have cameras that will outperform cell phones. For us, that is still a given.
But the sooner you start thinking of your cell phone as a very good, convenient, usable, quality camera, the sooner you will realize that it is.
Cell phones cameras are a great means to take a photograph, and are only getting better.

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Oct 7, 2018 18:24:47   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Not really I don't have to take pictures when I don't have a camera.


One doesn’t need to take a picture ever. But when there is a unique situation and the iPhone is in your hand, are you telling me that you wouldn’t take a once in a lifetime shot with your smartphone? I’m afraid to ask if you have a car? Or do you walk everywhere or horseback?

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Oct 7, 2018 18:29:40   #
BebuLamar
 
tdekany wrote:
One doesn’t need to take a picture ever. But when there is a unique situation and the iPhone is in your hand, are you telling me that you wouldn’t take a once in a lifetime shot with your smartphone? I’m afraid to ask if you have a car? Or do you walk everywhere or horseback?


A lot of time I saw an interesting subject but I didn't have my camera with me I didn't take the picture although I did have the phone with me. I only use the phone camera for reporting purposes like as in someone want to know what's the serial number, model number, ratings of a piece of equipment I am working on.

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Oct 7, 2018 18:36:33   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
BebuLamar wrote:
A lot of time I saw an interesting subject but I didn't have my camera with me I didn't take the picture although I did have the phone with me. I only use the phone camera for reporting purposes like as in someone want to know what's the serial number, model number, ratings of a piece of equipment I am working on.


I’m like you in that respect, but if I saw something that was worth recording, you better believe that I’d use my iPhone to capture it.

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Oct 7, 2018 19:58:32   #
safeman
 
You can buy an entry level smart phone and a D7200 with lens and get change back for what you will spend for the new I phones.

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Oct 7, 2018 21:12:11   #
BebuLamar
 
safeman wrote:
You can buy an entry level smart phone and a D7200 with lens and get change back for what you will spend for the new I phones.


Sure but it's not cool. Although I just spent $264 for a dumb phone without a camera.

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Oct 7, 2018 23:13:53   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
That wimpy little click the camera phones make just doesn’t do it for me. It’s like electronic drums. Yuck. When you’re seriously working a subject the feel of camera phones isn’t very inspiring either.
...Cam
joer wrote:
The latest and greatest iPhone allows you to blur the background after the image has been taken. Although at this point its not totally perfected I believe this may be the genesis of a new era in photography.

Also, some now have both wide angle and telephoto capability. Smart phones continue to inch their way up the camera levels.

The market for entry level cameras may soon be gone.

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Oct 8, 2018 01:53:59   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
This is an Ivory Tower discussion. We all view ourselves as serious photographers and do endless research and have long discussions about which lens is best or what brand camera has the fastest focusing system or best low light capability, etc. most people don’t give a rip. They want a snapshot of their friends in front of some notable art or architecture to post on social media for the folks back home. On my most recent vacation I estimate the tourists were using 90% cell phones, < 10% digital cameras and 5 or 6 film cameras, all 35mm, no medium or large format at all. Fully 1/3 we’re taking selfies as individuals, couples or small groups. I found it odd that they would nearly obliterate the scene with their faces. I took hundreds of pictures of the selfie crowd who were so absorbed in getting the right “look” that they had no idea there was another person around. The point of all that is that the vast majority of the pixels are being captured by people who carry their phone, computer and camera in a 3”x5”x1/2” box and are totally satisfied with the results....... as long as their hair looks nice. Make no mistake, the marketing guys know tho too and the marketing department overrules R&D every time. Giving the perception of improvement one brand over the next will continue to satisfy these enthusiastic snap shooters just as in serious photography. I’ve made a couple fortuitous shots with all my cameras—and cell phone, but for the selfie generation it would be pretty bothersome to pose in front of the Mona Lisa to get the shot with what we consider a real camera. I can only imagine the conversation back home about the picture of themselves explaining that the art behind them that you can see kinda sorta behind their face is arguably the most well known painting, or sculpture or building in history. We each have a different view of the use of a device to capture images.

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