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May 30, 2018 10:39:08   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Buckeye wrote:
Thanks for your input. I agree it is my money but what I can't get passed is buying an adapter that is nearly as expensive as the camera. From what I have seen metabones adapters cost between $400 and $700.


There are some alternates that are cheaper (viltrox), but I trust the metabones brand since they've been doing it the longest.

https://jimchungblog.wordpress.com/2017/12/15/viltrox-ef-m2-adaptor-tested/

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May 30, 2018 10:58:27   #
TonyBot
 
Buckeye wrote:
Thanks for your input. I agree it is my money but what I can't get passed is buying an adapter that is nearly as expensive as the camera. From what I have seen metabones adapters cost between $400 and $700.


How about the OEM Canon? $200 at B&H.

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May 30, 2018 11:48:03   #
Buckeye Loc: Dayton, OH.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
I despise my backup camera since it only has one control dial. Never again.



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May 30, 2018 14:29:14   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Buckeye wrote:
Thanks for your input. I agree it is my money but what I can't get passed is buying an adapter that is nearly as expensive as the camera. From what I have seen metabones adapters cost between $400 and $700.


Metabones adapters are well regarded, but may offer things that you don't need. If you are sticking with Canon lenses, then the Canon adapter may be a good choice. You can find used ones for around $100, and sometimes there are bundles of an M5 body with the adapter at very reasonable prices. Here is one, although it is temporarily out of stock: http://www.amazon.com/EOS-Body-Mount-Adapter-EF-EOS/dp/B076DQ7W2N So far as I can tell, it is shipped by Amazon, an authorized Canon dealer, so full USA warranty etc., and a reliable source from my personal experience.

Good luck

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May 30, 2018 14:55:31   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
If you don’t like it move on. Am I biased... yes, towards quality gear. Let canon (and Nikon) make non crippled mirrorless system and I’ll gladly change my tune towards them.


Thank you for that comment. Remember that quality is a subjective thing and also depends upon time frame. This market is in transition, choosing the right system is difficult at this point in time, and quality is also a subjective thing. It depends upon the assessment criteria, quality for you and quality for others may not be the same. I did look at the video link you posted, and I thought it was a fair assessment.

As I said earlier, from a personal perspective I'm not yet ready to move to mirrorless, but if I had to I would choose the M5. Canon and Nikon are late to market, but for some good commercial reasons. I currently use an 80D and a T3i. With the T3i and Magic Lantern I get many of the benefits of mirrorless cameras that matter to me. I would like those same benefits on the 80D. An ML port is in the works, but it may take a while since it is a volunteer skunk works project. Canon could do this themselves quite easily, but for reasons best known to themselves they have not yet chosen to do so. Personally I believe that it would give them a significant competitive market advantage over the mirrorless only vendors. Mirrorless is, in my opinion, definitely the future, but how we get there, how fast, and with whom is a debatable question.

I have nothing negative or derogatory to say about Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus et al, I've used some that friends have, and they are delighted with them, I can understand why, but I have different criteria for myself. Which brings us back to the definition of quality, which for most people is not an absolute term, it is subjective based upon each individual's personal preferences and and requirements.

Finally, you now seem to be adding positive and useful feedback to the OP, which I do appreciate. Thank you.

As for Canon and Nikon, I agree that they need to be measured fairly based on what they deliver to market, although which demographics they target will clearly influence their decisions. It's hard to hit all targets at once. Canon, in my opinion, is experimenting right now. It has had some successes and some noticeable failures, depending on the target market. For more serious photographers the M5 is probably the best offering yet, but it does still lag some other vendors. However, at a system level, if invested in Canon equipment and experience it may still be the best and highest quality choice.

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May 30, 2018 15:34:56   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Peterff wrote:
Thank you for that comment. Remember that quality is a subjective thing and also depends upon time frame. This market is in transition, choosing the right system is difficult at this point in time, and quality is also a subjective thing. It depends upon the assessment criteria, quality for you and quality for others may not be the same. I did look at the video link you posted, and I thought it was a fair assessment.

As I said earlier, from a personal perspective I'm not yet ready to move to mirrorless, but if I had to I would choose the M5. Canon and Nikon are late to market, but for some good commercial reasons. I currently use an 80D and a T3i. With the T3i and Magic Lantern I get many of the benefits of mirrorless cameras that matter to me. I would like those same benefits on the 80D. An ML port is in the works, but it may take a while since it is a volunteer skunk works project. Canon could do this themselves quite easily, but for reasons best known to themselves they have not yet chosen to do so. Personally I believe that it would give them a significant competitive market advantage over the mirrorless only vendors. Mirrorless is, in my opinion, definitely the future, but how we get there, how fast, and with whom is a debatable question.

I have nothing negative or derogatory to say about Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, Olympus et al, I've used some that friends have, and they are delighted with them, I can understand why, but I have different criteria for myself. Which brings us back to the definition of quality, which for most people is not an absolute term, it is subjective based upon each individual's personal preferences and and requirements.

Finally, you now seem to be adding positive and useful feedback to the OP, which I do appreciate. Thank you.

As for Canon and Nikon, I agree that they need to be measured fairly based on what they deliver to market, although which demographics they target will clearly influence their decisions. It's hard to hit all targets at once. Canon, in my opinion, is experimenting right now. It has had some successes and some noticeable failures, depending on the target market. For more serious photographers the M5 is probably the best offering yet, but it does still lag some other vendors. However, at a system level, if invested in Canon equipment and experience it may still be the best and highest quality choice.
Thank you for that comment. Remember that quality ... (show quote)


It's only in "transition" for those (like yourself) who haven't embraced new technology (that and I suppose nikon and canon are lagging behind). That was 2013 for me (when I made the jump to mirrorless).

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May 30, 2018 17:38:04   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
It's only in "transition" for those (like yourself) who haven't embraced new technology (that and I suppose nikon and canon are lagging behind). That was 2013 for me (when I made the jump to mirrorless).


You, yourself said that quality was an important consideration. Quality is to some degree subjective. What works for you may not work for me or others. There are things that you will accept that I do not. You may have different criteria. You may have requirements that I do not personally value, but if they work for you that's fine.

If you wish to talk about new technology, it isn't mirrorless. We'd be talking AI and possibly even quantum computing.

Also I see Clint, that you aren't man enough to deal with criticism. I was about to make a complimentary comment about your recently posted fencing photograph, but you have blocked me. You hold strong opinions, sometimes in a derogatory manner, and express them publicly, but you clearly aren't someone that will actually stand up to them in open competition. You are apparently not a fencer, and although I liked your shot, you clearly missed the hit if one looks at the positions of the blades and the points, there was no hit on either side. Your sense of timing and understanding of the sport was off. There was no money shot there.

At least for myself, you lose yet another credibility point. I'd happily challenge you to photographing fencing, and I'd be more than happy to engage in a fencing bout with you. I promise not to use sharp weapons.

Are you up to either challenge?

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May 30, 2018 17:39:48   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Peterff wrote:
Also I see Clint, that you aren't man enough to deal with criticism. I was about to make a complimentary comment about your recently posted fencing photograph, but you have blocked me. You hold strong opinions, sometimes in a derogatory manner, and express them publicly, but you clearly aren't someone that will actually stand up to them in open competition. You are apparently not a fencer, and although I liked your shot, you clearly missed the hit if one looks at the positions of the blades and the points, there was no hit on either side. Your sense of timing and understanding of the sport was off. There was no money shot there.

At least for myself, you lose yet another credibility point. I'd happily challenge you to photographing fencing, and I'd be more than happy to engage in a fencing bout with you. I promise not to use sharp weapons.

Are you up to either challenge?
Also I see Clint, that you aren't man enough to de... (show quote)


Why do I need your approval? Oh wait I don’t.

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May 30, 2018 17:52:47   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Why do I need your approval? Oh wait I don’t.


No, you don't need my approval, you just need to prove your competence.

And if you wish to block my responses, then you aren't actually willing or able to defend your position.

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May 30, 2018 18:03:38   #
TonyBot
 
C'mon Clint, Peter, this is entertaining, but I thought we were talking about the Canon M series that Buckeye was considering ...

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May 30, 2018 18:05:16   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Peterff wrote:
No, you don't need my approval, you just need to prove your competence.

And if you wish to block my responses, then you aren't actually willing or able to defend your position.


Why don’t you take this elsewhere instead of mucking up someone else’s thread. It’s very troll like behavior.

As to my creds...my personal website is available by clicking on my user name...it’s been there for all to see (or for those that ask)...but once again I don’t feel the need to justfy anything to a troll.

As to blocking...yep you’re on an ignore list until you get back on your meds.

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May 30, 2018 19:24:12   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
TonyBot wrote:
C'mon Clint, Peter, this is entertaining, but I thought we were talking about the Canon M series that Buckeye was considering ...


It’s not me...that keeps being petty.

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May 30, 2018 19:32:36   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
This whole question is much more complicated than just comparing statistics.

Four years ago, I switched from Canon to Pentax. Today I have both an APS-C K-30 and a small-sensor Q-7. Unfortunately, the K-mount to Q-mount adapter sold by Pentax has very limited functionality - if it provided AF and auto aperture, it would be must more useful; even so, the Q-7 is very comfortable for me because its controls are very similar to the K-30 controls.

Recently, I had a reason to be in a Best Buy store, so I looked at Fuji, Sony, and Canon MILCs. To be perfectly honest, the M-50 was most comfortable to me, presumably because four years ago I was using a Rebel. I can see how a Canon user might find the M-50 {or M-5} to be a comfortable fit. Add in the fact that, as I commented earlier, Canon understands EF-mount the way no one else does, I would expect EF mount lenses to work most seamlessly on a EF-M mount camera. Apart from statistics, I believe that gives Canon an advantage if interest is tilting away from DSLR and towards MILC ... but there is no point of debating these issues because opinion is not amenable to rational discussion.

Pentax appears to have quietly shuttered their MILC projects - the "Q" family and the K-01. At age 70, I'm not very interested in changing mounts for a third time ... in fact, when I purchase a camera in the next couple of years, I expect it to be the last camera I purchase. Four years ago, the last time I made I big switch, I thought we were already tilting from DSLR to MILC, but that turned out not to be the case. Thus, I will remain an interested, but not involved, spectator in all of this.

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May 30, 2018 19:37:18   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
TonyBot wrote:
C'mon Clint, Peter, this is entertaining, but I thought we were talking about the Canon M series that Buckeye was considering ...


I agree, which is why I've been trying to drag this back to an assessment of the Canon M5. Most reasonable respondents have tried to respond to Buckeye's initial question. Buckeye was very explicit about wanting comments from EOS M5 users, the M50 seemed a reasonable expansion of that.

I haven't used either so initially I didn't respond. Personally I'm waiting for better offerings from Canon for mirrorless. The M5 is good, but not for my requirements. Canon has a bunch of new mirrorless offerings in the works, although it may take a while for the right ones to come to market.

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Sep 24, 2018 19:35:58   #
Bullittjon Loc: Minnesota
 
To my fellow M5 owners: I purchased one a few weeks back and like it a lot. I have the M 15-45 lens plus an adapter. My question is that I am looking for a light, but sturdy tripod to use with it. One that when completely folded down is no longer than 14" in length. I do a lot of biking and I want to bring it along while riding through wooded paths, etc. Anyone have one to recommend?

Thanks in advance.

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