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Aug 10, 2012 18:47:08   #
jjadeco25 Loc: Alma, AR
 
Absolutely true. Asked my grandfather who's an attorney.

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Aug 10, 2012 20:15:17   #
JosephB Loc: South Jersey
 
While I don't do photography full time it is about 20% of my income.
If I think I can parlay it into a better paying job I'll give something out for free (for example - did a product shot and instead of cash got refreshments for a gallery opening for free).
I also am careful about giving up jpgs - much harder to control what happens to a jpg - far better to give a small print.
Great shot too --

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Aug 10, 2012 21:47:28   #
cannie Loc: Snellville, Georgia
 
Debbie Ann wrote:
I went out to my nieces barn to watch her ride.... I got a shot of myself, my daughter, and niece reflected in a horses eye. I loved it and a couple of others saw it. My sister asked if I can send a .jpg to the trainer of this horse as she wants to give the photo to the owner. I told her a print would have to be purchased, as I was not sending a .jpg out for this person to do whatever they wanted with it...it's my artwork. She and the trainer were offended they had to pay (seriously, I only charged her $20 for a print) How do others deal with this? I'll do shots for family, will donate pics for animal fundraisers, etc. but not randomly email a file to someone I don't know. Thoughts...?
I went out to my nieces barn to watch her ride....... (show quote)


At least your sister asked! My 37 yr old step-daughter got into my photoshop while we were on vacation together and posted pictures I took of her and her daughter and also posted one of my sunsets to HER facebook of which she as 1,000 friends who have another 1,000 friends, etc, etc. The pictures of her and our grandaughter I didn't mind, but my sunset got to me, I could be famous and not even know it.....LOL. I just asked her please don't post anything from my Photoshop unless you ask me. She looked at me like I had two heads.... Family gotta love them!

Mandy & Na'Na' 2012
Mandy & Na'Na' 2012...

Destin, Fl 2012
Destin, Fl  2012...

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Aug 10, 2012 21:51:14   #
JosephB Loc: South Jersey
 
Perhaps it would be better phrased, "Family, gotta tolerate them."

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Aug 10, 2012 21:55:13   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
[quote=cannie][ My 37 yr old step-daughter got into my photoshop while we were on vacation together and posted pictures I took of her and her daughter and also posted one of my sunsets to HER facebook...[/quote]
People see what we do a simply taking pictures. Snap, snap, snap. Anyone can do it, and occasionally we "get lucky" and take a nice picture.

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Aug 10, 2012 22:52:29   #
Cornishpete Loc: Illinois
 
jjadeco25 wrote:
Absolutely true. Asked my grandfather who's an attorney.


Well, I'm not an attorney but if he is stating, like the other poster that "if you can see it you can photograph it"' I can only wonder which branch of law he works in. Ask him to try taking photos inside the security area of his local airport; inside a nuclear power plant facility; through the fence of his local infants school; through the bedroom window of the lady next door. Need I go on?
Furthermore, if the lady is charging for prints then technically that is a commercial use of an image of the horse owner's property and she should get a model/property release.
Would be happy to be corrected if I should be incorrect.

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Aug 10, 2012 22:54:04   #
francesca3 Loc: Sausalito, CA
 
Elliott Design wrote:
Working for family is usually not good business. If you are a professional photographer and making your living at it then you might provide a low resolution JPG with a watermark and send it on, if the horse owner wants a hi-res for printwork, they should pay you for it. Make your sister a print and give it to HER.


I agree, and make sure the print you give is a small one.
I should say, too, though that I give my photos away (small jpegs) to people who agree to a photo shoot (for me to shoot their pets). Am collecting them for a book.

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Aug 10, 2012 23:06:10   #
JosephB Loc: South Jersey
 
Cornishpete wrote:
jjadeco25 wrote:
Absolutely true. Asked my grandfather who's an attorney.


Well, I'm not an attorney but if he is stating, like the other poster that "if you can see it you can photograph it"' I can only wonder which branch of law he works in. Ask him to try taking photos inside the security area of his local airport; inside a nuclear power plant facility; through the fence of his local infants school; through the bedroom window of the lady next door. Need I go on?
Furthermore, if the lady is charging for prints then technically that is a commercial use of an image of the horse owner's property and she should get a model/property release.
Would be happy to be corrected if I should be incorrect.
quote=jjadeco25 Absolutely true. Asked my grandfa... (show quote)


If it can be seen from a public area - taking pictures through a window - not so much, there was that expectation of privacy. Going into a "secured" area, same thing, on private property, again not allowed. It is a complicated issue. As far as commercial use, I think the subject needs to be identifiable. But whenever in doubt contact a professional who specializes in copyright law.

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Aug 11, 2012 00:16:02   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Flash Falasca wrote:
did you get a release from the owners horse?

What about a release from the horse?

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Aug 11, 2012 08:23:45   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
I'm sure that you payed the horse her modeling fee...
and how about a release from the horse ?
Oh, I'm sorry for the SOB comment. It was used only for emphasis, not an attack on your mother's reputation. The nuns always told my mother that I had a potty mouth.

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Aug 11, 2012 13:27:07   #
nikon_jon Loc: Northeast Arkansas
 
I was once in the portrait photography business. When friends and relatives asked if I gave them discounts, I always told them that all my true friends knew how hard it was to keep a business going and they would volunteer to pay me 10% or more extra for my work.

And I CERTAINLY would not give someone a jpg copy of my photos and trust them not to let it get all over the net. Many people don't grasp the concept of intellectual property rights.

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Aug 11, 2012 14:17:11   #
cannie Loc: Snellville, Georgia
 
I could not have said it better myself! Nikon Jon

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Aug 11, 2012 15:07:41   #
outsider Loc: Antelope Valley, California
 
Just my 2 cents. I would have said, I can't send a jpeg, but I'll print out a 4x6, or better yet make a very small jpeg and explain if they wanted a bigger print you'd be happy to make out a job order for her and give her a quote on whatever size she wanted printed out. If she felt like she deserved it for free you could say, "This is a business and I only give out the small jpegs or 4x6 prints" If the owner of the horse became upset after that then I'd have to ask myself if the drama was worth the pic and either give her what she wanted or delete the image and walk away. But, if it worked out on the back of the print write out business information so if they wanted a photographer in the future they have your info. That's what I do and I've never had an issue with anybody and It's actually created some business for me.

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Aug 12, 2012 03:11:10   #
Wahawk Loc: NE IA
 
For the quality of this photo, I would NEVER give away a JPG of it unless it was sized down to no more than 300 pixels on the long side!! This is an AWESOME photo that would have a LOT of potential for you! If the trainer wants it, they should definitely pay you what it is worth!!

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Aug 12, 2012 08:21:17   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
Wahawk wrote:
For the quality of this photo, I would NEVER give away a JPG of it unless it was sized down to no more than 300 pixels on the long side!! This is an AWESOME photo that would have a LOT of potential for you! If the trainer wants it, they should definitely pay you what it is worth!!


And, what is it worth ?

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