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Sep 19, 2018 10:56:07   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
agillot wrote:
maybe start with the D3400 kit , and later move up if necessary ??


We've got what we've got, and I think she's up to learning with the D90. She's eager to learn.

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Sep 19, 2018 11:00:32   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
happy sailor wrote:
That's super of you and I think your granddaughter will do well with whatever camera you let her use. I have twin 9 year old granddaughters, they both have Canon Rebel XT's that we have moved up from. They have shot with my 6d and with my daughters T6S. They can manual focus the lens if need be but still are using full auto pretty much all the time. They are spending more time on the composition that is in the viewfinder and or posing each other.

They love it as I am sure your Aimee does. My motto is let em loose with whatever you have, this generation is far more comfortable with technology than any before. I'll bet that by the time they are 15 their photoshop skills will blow most of us away.

Isn't it just the cutest when you see them holding the camera properly?????? I love it!!!
That's super of you and I think your granddaughter... (show quote)



Yeah, I think she'll be ok with it. She didn't seem to be put off by the camera. I gave her a Nikon S8200 a couple years ago, and she's been taking pictures all the time with it, so she knew what to do, basically, anyway. This will be a new adventure for her with her grandpa.

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Sep 19, 2018 11:24:10   #
camerauser78
 
Her bracing stance, while getting an image, is a classical photographer's stance. She's on her way.

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Sep 19, 2018 11:38:36   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
camerauser78 wrote:
Her bracing stance, while getting an image, is a classical photographer's stance. She's on her way.


Maybe a natural. Funny, when I shoot, I tend to lean forward, like I'm leaning into the stock of a rifle or shotgun to reduce the impact of the recoil. Force of habit, I suppose. A throwback to military service, I guess.

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Sep 19, 2018 11:59:31   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I hope you got permission and a signed release from her parents before taking her picture...

Just kidding!!!
Congratulations on helping her learn something she can enjoy for a lifetime...

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Sep 19, 2018 12:08:36   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I hope you got permission and a signed release from her parents before taking her picture...

Just kidding!!!
Congratulations on helping her learn something she can enjoy for a lifetime...


Ha, Ha!! Yeah, got that a long time ago. 😁

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Sep 19, 2018 16:50:36   #
PeterBergh
 
rmalarz wrote:
Donald Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming" is a great series of books.
--Bob


I agree, but they are not for the novice.

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Sep 19, 2018 16:56:51   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
PeterBergh wrote:
I agree, but they are not for the novice.


She's in the 3rd grade. I'd never hand her something like that. Now if it were my grandson in the 4th grade, that might be a different story. That kid is seriously smart. And he has absolutely no interest in photography. Unfortunately.

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Sep 19, 2018 17:04:28   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
Wingpilot wrote:
We've got what we've got, and I think she's up to learning with the D90. She's eager to learn.


I worked with many 11 - 12 year olds for their Photo Merit Badge. We have a clinic that has 10 to 12 in a class and then go on with one on one. With one or two kids in each class that seem to want to know everything and do a good job learning.
Just a thought for a camera - a D50 from eBay. Looked and their are several under $50 with lens. Some under $25. I think if you look everyday you could get one for $10. I took Weddings with a D50 for about two years when they first came out. No complaints. - Dave

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Sep 19, 2018 17:13:53   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Here's a shot of my almost 10 year old grandaughter using my D90 for the first time. She loves taking pictures, and we're going to have "school" as time goes by, the same way I did for my grandson. Today it was some very basic instruction. I just had it set on "auto" so she can get the idea of taking photos. We'll move up to A or S modes as time goes by. Her name is Aimee, and is pretty artistic and enthusiastic. I expect, as she catches on, that she'll become a pretty good photographer.
Here's a shot of my almost 10 year old grandaughte... (show quote)


She looks like a pro already. Don't hold her back, let her go at her own pace...

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Sep 19, 2018 17:51:31   #
Bipod
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Hmmm, I believe I know what you're saying, but not sure what it has to do with my grandaughter wanting to learn photography. I suspect, when she is older, like in high school, she will want to enroll in a photography course and get some further education from someone more learned than me.

As for complicated cameras, yes they can fail or malfunction and sometimes we don't know why or aren't aware of it and merely assume we have done something wrong. Which may or may not have been true.

We're going to take this slow, a bit at a time so she gets a clear understanding of things, rather than hit her with a ton of tech stuff she can't understand. Right now the camera is set on auto while she gets used to it and starts learning to take photos with something more than a pure point and shoot camera like her Nikon S8200.
Hmmm, I believe I know what you're saying, but not... (show quote)

I don't think an aspiring machinest should learn to turn on a computer-controlled lathe.
There's lots of complexity there that has nothing to do with basic lathe operation.
And knowing how to run a computer-controlled lathe doesn't mean someone can run a
manual lathe. That's all I'm saying.

Whatcha got there is a computer-controlled camera, with maybe 300,000 or more lines of code,
all secret, undoubtably containing a few bugs. It's making decisions for the photographer,
and yet its far less intelligent than a mouse. And every automated camera is different:
different algorithms, different trade-offs.

You can turn off *some* of the automated features, but you can't get rid of the inherent
complexity of an embedded system. Complexity always "leaks" out...

There is a reason why generations of photography instructures had their students use Pentax K-1000
cameras -- the simplest SLR on the market. Demand from schools kept the K-1000 in production
from 1976 until 1997 -- 21 years! A student could completely understand that camera. It was
easy to prove the camera was working. And it was solidly-constructed and inexpensive.

Basic lathes are common, basic digital cameras aren't. No reason why a camera manufacturer
couldn't design and make a manual digital camera -- guess the market it is too small because many
people don't realize its value as a learning tool.

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Sep 19, 2018 19:44:26   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Bipod wrote:
I don't think an aspiring machinest should learn to turn on a computer-controlled lathe.
There's lots of complexity there that has nothing to do with basic lathe operation.
And knowing how to run a computer-controlled lathe doesn't mean someone can run a
manual lathe. That's all I'm saying.

Whatcha got there is a computer-controlled camera, with maybe 300,000 or more lines of code,
all secret, undoubtably containing a few bugs. It's making decisions for the photographer,
and yet its far less intelligent than a mouse. And every automated camera is different:
different algorithms, different trade-offs.

You can turn off *some* of the automated features, but you can't get rid of the inherent
complexity of an embedded system. Complexity always "leaks" out...

There is a reason why generations of photography instructures had their students use Pentax K-1000
cameras -- the simplest SLR on the market. Demand from schools kept the K-1000 in production
from 1976 until 1997 -- 21 years! A student could completely understand that camera. It was
easy to prove the camera was working. And it was solidly-constructed and inexpensive.

Basic lathes are common, basic digital cameras aren't. No reason why a camera manufacturer
couldn't design and make a manual digital camera -- guess the market it is too small because many
people don't realize its value as a learning tool.
I don't think an aspiring machinest should learn ... (show quote)



And??

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Sep 19, 2018 19:46:44   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
wilsondl2 wrote:
I worked with many 11 - 12 year olds for their Photo Merit Badge. We have a clinic that has 10 to 12 in a class and then go on with one on one. With one or two kids in each class that seem to want to know everything and do a good job learning.
Just a thought for a camera - a D50 from eBay. Looked and their are several under $50 with lens. Some under $25. I think if you look everyday you could get one for $10. I took Weddings with a D50 for about two years when they first came out. No complaints. - Dave
I worked with many 11 - 12 year olds for their Pho... (show quote)


Our daughter (her mom) has a D60 that I'm sure she'd let Aimee use at home. At our house and when I take her out to take pictures somewhere, she can use the D90. I expect that at some point I'll just give it to her. After that I expect she'll need to get a job to pay for anything else.

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Sep 19, 2018 20:29:01   #
RickTaylor
 
I think it’s great that you are teaching her photography and the D90 is an excellent tool to learn with. But more important than the photography is the quality bonding time that you and she will share. Priceless!

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Sep 19, 2018 23:25:23   #
Soul Dr. Loc: Beautiful Shenandoah Valley
 
You are doing great with your Grand Daughter Greg. The D90 is a great camera and I think it will not be hard for her to pick up on the things she can do with it.
I don't know what Bipod's problem is, but you know your grand daughter better than him, and know what she is capable of doing.
Kids nowadays are pretty smart and pick up on things very quickly. When it come to electronic devices they have no preconceived notions about them, so they learn how to work them by trial and error.
Will be looking forward to seeing some of her future images here.

will

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