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Sep 19, 2018 23:55:50   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Soul Dr. wrote:
You are doing great with your Grand Daughter Greg. The D90 is a great camera and I think it will not be hard for her to pick up on the things she can do with it.
I don't know what Bipod's problem is, but you know your grand daughter better than him, and know what she is capable of doing.
Kids nowadays are pretty smart and pick up on things very quickly. When it come to electronic devices they have no preconceived notions about them, so they learn how to work them by trial and error.
Will be looking forward to seeing some of her future images here.

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You are doing great with your Grand Daughter Greg.... (show quote)


If she sticks with it, she'll do well. I still haven't a clue what Bipod is talking about. In any case, I'll leave the electronic engineering to the electronic engineers and designers and just enjoy using the equipment. As she will.

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Sep 20, 2018 02:04:08   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Bipod wrote:
When she figures out how the firmware works, maybe she can explain it to me. :-)
(I'm dying to know the boot sequence after power-on.)


How is knowing this going to help your photography?

Bipod wrote:
In this case, you've got photography (which is difficult, but basically simple)
and this excellent Nikon D90 camera, which is an enormously complex computer.


On Auto the computer does the exposure leg-work, it frees up the "artist" to pay attention to composition, form and framing, subject and background, simplicity. Little things like that. And above all she's having fun. That's the most important part.

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Sep 20, 2018 09:41:37   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Bipod wrote:
I don't think an aspiring machinest should learn to turn on a computer-controlled lathe.
There's lots of complexity there that has nothing to do with basic lathe operation.
And knowing how to run a computer-controlled lathe doesn't mean someone can run a
manual lathe. That's all I'm saying.

Whatcha got there is a computer-controlled camera, with maybe 300,000 or more lines of code,
all secret, undoubtably containing a few bugs. It's making decisions for the photographer,
and yet its far less intelligent than a mouse. And every automated camera is different:
different algorithms, different trade-offs.

You can turn off *some* of the automated features, but you can't get rid of the inherent
complexity of an embedded system. Complexity always "leaks" out...

There is a reason why generations of photography instructures had their students use Pentax K-1000
cameras -- the simplest SLR on the market. Demand from schools kept the K-1000 in production
from 1976 until 1997 -- 21 years! A student could completely understand that camera. It was
easy to prove the camera was working. And it was solidly-constructed and inexpensive.

Basic lathes are common, basic digital cameras aren't. No reason why a camera manufacturer
couldn't design and make a manual digital camera -- guess the market it is too small because many
people don't realize its value as a learning tool.
I don't think an aspiring machinest should learn ... (show quote)


Your analogy of a lathe may be correct, someone could get hurt, or damage something. But it means nothing in this case...if your trying to be sarcastic, this was not the time or place. Don't waste so much time being negative and let a guy get his granddaughter into photography.

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