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Aug 30, 2018 09:56:48   #
gerdog
 
TriX wrote:
Especially if the OP doesn’t consider Windows 8 “broke”



Windows 8 is what made Windows 7 so popular!

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Aug 30, 2018 10:31:51   #
Bob baird
 
I'm with Yodagirl. I'm tired of changes for the sake of changes. I'm tired of spending more time learning a system than using it. I'm tired of brilliant IT programmers who write gee-whiz stuff, but don't have to explain it (used to be called documentation). And I'm tired of producers of little enslaving me by making me pay monthly rent the rest of my life. I want out, too.

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Aug 30, 2018 10:44:39   #
rlv567 Loc: Baguio City, Philippines
 
gerdog wrote:

Windows 8 is what made Windows 7 so popular!


I have used MS operating systems forever - at least, since MS DOS. The one I did not like was 8, and have been very happy that 10 replaced it! And what is this "so much to learn" business about Windows 10? It seems very straight forward to me, and easy to use - with no "blue screen of death". I've used it as the replacement OS and as the OS on a new computer, both working fine!!!

Loren - Baguio City

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Aug 30, 2018 10:48:36   #
Two Feathers
 
I worked in computer maintenance for 25 years as a manager, I am glad I retired before this nightmare came about. Workers had to meet their work loads and when something like
a big change caused more training and lost production. I have stuff that I don't want on my system and cannot remove. The last I checked this is a personal computer it doesn't belong

Bill Gates
You need to become a Mac user if Win 10 is your favorite.

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Aug 30, 2018 11:16:54   #
rps Loc: Muskoka Ontario Canada
 
Windows 8.3 worked well for me. Recently I had occasion to boot up an old computer. It has Windows XP and it was a pleasure to use. Another problem with 10 is that so much of my old software either doesn't work properly or doesn't work at all. Not all of us want to spend a hundred bucks or more on new versions of old programs that get only occasional use.

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Aug 30, 2018 12:39:06   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
gerdog wrote:

Windows 8 is what made Windows 7 so popular!


Windows 8 would have been fine if it had been just for tablets with a touchscreen. That was supposed to be the wave of the future. Even then, a lot of people know that the interface was fine for data consumption but lousy for anyone who had to use a keyboard and a mouse and actually input data. The underlying operating system was sound, but the GUI sucked. I used Classic Shell with Windows 8, and all was fine after that. I've since moved on to Windows 10 except on one computer that won't take the upgrade due to a driver issue.

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Aug 30, 2018 12:45:42   #
kd7eir Loc: Tucson, AZ
 
Yodagirl wrote:
A better term would be "conquering", as it is the most invasive, intrusive and controlling OS MS ever put out. They own it, you do not, and it took me 8 months to get them out of my computer for good. Very frustrating experience. Win7 is a much better system. Search around on the web, there's advice & articles on it everywhere. Start with instructions on turning off all the spyware in the OS itself.


I'm an enterprise network administrator with 37 years of experience, so I am NOT some "self-proclaimed" expert. I manage Windows, Mac, UNIX, and Linux workstations.

Win 7 is absolutely NOT a better system compared to Windows 10. Just because YOU cannot learn a few new things does NOT make Windows 10 a bad OS. Windows 10 is absolutely the most stable OS that has ever been commercially released.

If you think Windows 10 gathers a lot of data about you, you should see what Apple actually collects!

I mange THOUSANDS of Windows 10 workstations and NONE of my users (A mixture of people with zero years to decades of computer experience) have any problems using it at all. We have NEVER lost anything due to Windows Updates, NEVER had an update "break" one of our systems. Of course, we are smart enough to NOT blame Microsoft because a vendor of something that we have attached to, or software that we run on Windows 10, was too LAZY to follow the update process and release new drivers or software updates at the same time as Windows Updates - being RESPONSIBLE computer users, we VERIFY that everything we have attached to the operating system has been updated to work with each Windows Update BEFORE applying the update. This is not rocket science - go to the vendors web site and VERIFY that they have released their updates BEFORE applying a Windows Update.

The single biggest problem with computer operating systems today is the ignorant end-user that knows nothing but considers themselves to be an expert.

Microsoft has ALWAYS OWNED EVERY OS they have ever released, because YOU only get a license to use it (this is the same with ALL commercial operating systems.) The reality of software licensing is that MS, Apple, Red Hat, etc - can ALL disable your operating system at their whim, and there would be nothing that you could do legally to them.

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Aug 30, 2018 12:58:46   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
kd7eir wrote:
I'm an enterprise network administrator with 37 years of experience, so I am NOT some "self-proclaimed" expert. I manage Windows, Mac, UNIX, and Linux workstations.

Win 7 is absolutely NOT a better system compared to Windows 10. Just because YOU cannot learn a few new things does NOT make Windows 10 a bad OS. Windows 10 is absolutely the most stable OS that has ever been commercially released.

If you think Windows 10 gathers a lot of data about you, you should see what Apple actually collects!

I mange THOUSANDS of Windows 10 workstations and NONE of my users (A mixture of people with zero years to decades of computer experience) have any problems using it at all. We have NEVER lost anything due to Windows Updates, NEVER had an update "break" one of our systems. Of course, we are smart enough to NOT blame Microsoft because a vendor of something that we have attached to, or software that we run on Windows 10, was too LAZY to follow the update process and release new drivers or software updates at the same time as Windows Updates - being RESPONSIBLE computer users, we VERIFY that everything we have attached to the operating system has been updated to work with each Windows Update BEFORE applying the update. This is not rocket science - go to the vendors web site and VERIFY that they have released their updates BEFORE applying a Windows Update.

The single biggest problem with computer operating systems today is the ignorant end-user that knows nothing but considers themselves to be an expert.

Microsoft has ALWAYS OWNED EVERY OS they have ever released, because YOU only get a license to use it (this is the same with ALL commercial operating systems.) The reality of software licensing is that MS, Apple, Red Hat, etc - can ALL disable your operating system at their whim, and there would be nothing that you could do legally to them.
I'm an enterprise network administrator with 37 ye... (show quote)


👍👍 Spot on.

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Aug 30, 2018 13:00:36   #
gerdog
 
Getting back to the original topic, the best thing to learn for success with an operating system is using google search for information about stuff you aren't sure of. You can learn by trial and error, but it can be painful.Here is a search for beginners:
https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+10+for+beginners&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS794US794&ei=xiGIW7qQKaLKjwTz96uwDQ&start=10&sa=N&biw=1094&bih=510

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Aug 30, 2018 14:26:04   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Kuzano wrote:
Get Classic Shell loaded, configure it to look like the Windows 7 menu system and boot to the desktop, and dive in. No books or cheat sheets will help. You will think you are still on Windows 7, except for a fairly dependable update system that you can set some parameters on when and whether to automate. I don't buck the updates as a rule, but just put up with them.

Taught Windows OS from 3.1 Workgroup to Windows 10 at Community College level for 24 years. Windows 10 is and has been the best, most stable of all for me.
Get Classic Shell loaded, configure it to look lik... (show quote)

So what's new, I'm still on Windows 7 and it updates itself on a regular basis as well?

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Aug 30, 2018 14:28:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
speters wrote:
So what's new, I'm still on Windows 7 and it updates itself on a regular basis as well?


Not for long. End of life in 2 years.

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Aug 30, 2018 14:45:08   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
Thanks for info....

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Aug 30, 2018 17:09:29   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
rps wrote:
I'm a great believer in the adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it," Windows 8 wasn't "broke." Windows 10 is bloated, intrusive, complicated, unfamiliar, unreliable and infuriating. It is so bad that I have been considering scrapping it and switching to Mac.

Wow. Windows 10 is far from bloated, not terribly, intrusive, its certainly no more "complicated" than Windows 7, and not unfamiliar to any long Windows user, it is by far the most reliable version of Windows that Microsoft Office has ever offered, and while it may be infuriating to you, to most people it is not. I would suggest scrapping it for a Mac would be the best option for you. Clearly Windows is too much for you to handle and you need something simple which won't stress you out. I don't know what operating system you were referring to, but it sure as heck wasn't Windows 10.

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Aug 30, 2018 17:25:33   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
kd7eir wrote:
I'm an enterprise network administrator with 37 years of experience, so I am NOT some "self-proclaimed" expert. I manage Windows, Mac, UNIX, and Linux workstations.

Win 7 is absolutely NOT a better system compared to Windows 10. Just because YOU cannot learn a few new things does NOT make Windows 10 a bad OS. Windows 10 is absolutely the most stable OS that has ever been commercially released.

If you think Windows 10 gathers a lot of data about you, you should see what Apple actually collects!

I mange THOUSANDS of Windows 10 workstations and NONE of my users (A mixture of people with zero years to decades of computer experience) have any problems using it at all. We have NEVER lost anything due to Windows Updates, NEVER had an update "break" one of our systems. Of course, we are smart enough to NOT blame Microsoft because a vendor of something that we have attached to, or software that we run on Windows 10, was too LAZY to follow the update process and release new drivers or software updates at the same time as Windows Updates - being RESPONSIBLE computer users, we VERIFY that everything we have attached to the operating system has been updated to work with each Windows Update BEFORE applying the update. This is not rocket science - go to the vendors web site and VERIFY that they have released their updates BEFORE applying a Windows Update.

The single biggest problem with computer operating systems today is the ignorant end-user that knows nothing but considers themselves to be an expert.

Microsoft has ALWAYS OWNED EVERY OS they have ever released, because YOU only get a license to use it (this is the same with ALL commercial operating systems.) The reality of software licensing is that MS, Apple, Red Hat, etc - can ALL disable your operating system at their whim, and there would be nothing that you could do legally to them.
I'm an enterprise network administrator with 37 ye... (show quote)

Absolutely 100% agree with every word you said. My background is similar to yours. Most Windows 10 issues are a result user error, ancient software, ancient peripherals with out of date drivers, the need for drivers that have not or will not ever be updated by vendors who are either no longer in business or have ceased support of old hardware.

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Aug 30, 2018 17:37:40   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Yodagirl wrote:
Well, you are an IT professional with 35 years experience. I am an average user, that really struggled with MS's relentless attempts trying to install upgrades that I didn't want and didn't need. Win 95, XP and & were great OS's, but 10 is unlike anything I've ever experienced-they give you no choices but to spend hours trying to figure out how to keep things as they are on my computer-that's all. Every time I'd start this computer, MS would lock it up with a notice that a required "upgrade" was waiting to download, and I was stuck. I am not trying to be a detractor, I am just relaying my experience, which was an extremely time consuming and frustrating experience.
Well, you are an IT professional with 35 years exp... (show quote)


If you continue to have problems why didn't you switch to Apple?

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