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Aug 28, 2018 11:47:28   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
5 Reasons not to buy a mirrorless camera

https://fstoppers.com/originals/five-reasons-not-switch-mirrorless-camera-system-yet-282016

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Aug 28, 2018 11:54:34   #
alfeng Loc: Out where the West commences ...
 
russraman wrote:
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Discussion (twice) as well as watched or read user reviews on numerous web sites, but I still don’t understand why I should want or need this new mirrorless camera. I currently own a Nikon D810 and two Nikon Df’s along with a variety of AI-S, D, G and E lenses. What are the compelling reasons why I should add this camera to my current Nikon product collection or replace one of my existing cameras? And if for some reason I need a mirrorless camera, wouldn’t I be better off buying a Fujifilm XT2 with a Nikon F mount converter?
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Dis... (show quote)

The advantage of a 35mm SLR over a 35mm rangefinder camera is obvious if you are using a non-50mm lens BECAUSE of how you easily you can focus-and-frame the image with a telephoto or wideangle lens when using an SLR vs. using a similar focal length lens with rangefinder camera body ...

THAT advantage does not exist to the same extent with a DSLR over a mirrorless digital camera which has either an integrated-or-auxiliary EVF (electronic viewfinder) which will allow the individual to frame the image as s/he hopes to as easily as with a DSLR ...

... Mirrorless cameras have "image peeking" which is very useful when manual focusing is being implemented ...

... The EVF will reveal what the sensor sees in low light vs. a DSLR's darkened optical viewfinder.

If every picture you take is in auto-this-and-that mode, then there will probably be no reason for you to consider either a Nikon Z or any other mirrorless camera body.




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Aug 28, 2018 12:01:45   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
russraman wrote:
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Discussion (twice) as well as watched or read user reviews on numerous web sites, but I still don’t understand why I should want or need this new mirrorless camera. I currently own a Nikon D810 and two Nikon Df’s along with a variety of AI-S, D, G and E lenses. What are the compelling reasons why I should add this camera to my current Nikon product collection or replace one of my existing cameras? And if for some reason I need a mirrorless camera, wouldn’t I be better off buying a Fujifilm XT2 with a Nikon F mount converter?
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Dis... (show quote)


ahhhhhh.......GAS, Maybe?

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Aug 28, 2018 12:04:21   #
gwilliams6
 
CatMarley wrote:
Now wouldn't that be nice! The Z is interesting, but I will not trade in my Fuji XT-2. The external controls are what makes the Fuji so easy to use and get reliable results. When Nikon comes out with a Fuji type body, I may be tempted simply because of all the old lenses I have parked in my little photo chest of drawers.


Yes, even us Sony folks can give kudos to the Fuji for its excellent control layout. Cheers

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Aug 28, 2018 12:09:36   #
gwilliams6
 
burkphoto wrote:
Paradoxically, the exposed sensor can stay cleaner!

I have used eight different Canon dSLRs and three Nikon dSLRs. All of them needed sensor cleaning at least once a year. I never changed or removed the lens from the Canon EOS 50D, but after moderate use (about 5,000 clicks), I had to remove the lens... to clean the sensor!

Why? Because there’s a friggin’ flippy-floppy mirror in it that has lubricants in its control mechanism. The mechanism that moves the mirror also creates micro-fine metal shavings that mix with the lube. There’s also a foam dampening strip below the focusing screen that the mirror slams into with every exposure. It deteriorates and sheds sticky foam particles.

All of that crud gets fanned around by the mirror as it flips and flops!

My Lumix GH4 has never needed a sensor cleaning in 42 months, with dozens and dozens of lens changes, many done outdoors on windy days! Yet its sensor stares at me each time I remove a lens. Maybe the sensor cleaning feature in the Lumix is just better, but I doubt it.

Mirrors just blow... dust and gunk onto the sensor.
Paradoxically, the exposed sensor can stay cleaner... (show quote)


I agree ,I have only had to clean one of Sony mirrorless cameras once, over a year ago. That includes three bodies I use, the A6500, A7RIII (upgraded from A7RII) and A7III. I seemed to get more crude ,more often on my sensors when I shot with my Nikon and Canon DSLRs. Cheers

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Aug 28, 2018 12:18:02   #
gwilliams6
 
CatMarley wrote:
You say that now. I predict that in 3 years, over 50% of the Nikon users on this forum will have a Z Nikon.


CatMarley, hopefully the next generation of Z cameras will be better and actually live up to their specs, these do not. But yes that wont stop Nikon and the big camera stores from praising and promoting these z-cameras. They are heavily promoting them right now as "Mirrorless Reinvented", which is sadly untrue. And Nikon folks who have waited years to use their lenses on a fullframe mirrorless will just buy them anyway. Nikon folks you deserve a better Z camera than these IMHO. Cheers

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Aug 28, 2018 12:23:24   #
Desert Gecko Loc: desert southwest, USA
 
Brucej67 wrote:
Not all apply:

* Work absolutely silently in a dark theatre, with no light from a rear screen to disturb patrons behind you. (EVF plus electronic shutter = stealth mode!)
Can be done with a DSLR with mirror up.
* Do vibration-free macro work at long shutter speeds with remote control via WiFi and a smartphone app. (mirrorless design plus electronic shutter + WiFi = no vibration!)
Can be done with a DSLR with mirror up.
* Do nature photography silently and remotely (mirrorless design plus electronic shutter + WiFi = remote control of a silent camera!)
Can be done with a DSLR with mirror up.
* NEVER have to "fine tune a lens" to your camera bodies' focusing systems. (Focus sensing happens in the imaging sensor of a mirrorless, so if it's in focus in the EVF or OLED LCD, it's in focus!)
You still might with 3rd party lenses like Sigma 150-600mm
* Clean your sensor much less often. (No mirror means no mirror to fan flying droplets of lubricants, or metal shavings, or foam particles from the mirror dampener...)
Actually clean the sensor more no mirror to stop pollen or other objects reaching the sensor
Not all apply: br br * Work absolutely silently i... (show quote)


And with a DSLR in mirror lockup, how well can you compose, focus, and acquire proper exposure? You can't. For silent shooting, mirrorless is the only answer.

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Aug 28, 2018 12:33:29   #
cambriaman Loc: Central CA Coast
 
I saw nothing in the Z7 hype to convince me that I needed one. My D800e has all the capability I can use at this point. The new Z lens mount certain harks of future improvements and capabilities but requiring an adapter to use my arsenal of quality Nikon glass does NOT warm the cockles of my heart (although I certainly appreciate that it exists for us if we change our mind about body purchase). The only advantage I see for me is the lighter, more compact body. I think I'll save my disposable income for a while.

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Aug 28, 2018 12:49:13   #
Bill P
 
Never buy a new product in its first model year. Not in cameras, household appliances, cars airplanes, etc. I made that mistake with the Nikon V1.

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Aug 28, 2018 12:53:39   #
al13
 
russraman wrote:
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Discussion (twice) as well as watched or read user reviews on numerous web sites, but I still don’t understand why I should want or need this new mirrorless camera. I currently own a Nikon D810 and two Nikon Df’s along with a variety of AI-S, D, G and E lenses. What are the compelling reasons why I should add this camera to my current Nikon product collection or replace one of my existing cameras? And if for some reason I need a mirrorless camera, wouldn’t I be better off buying a Fujifilm XT2 with a Nikon F mount converter?
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Dis... (show quote)

Will the Nikon lens work properly on the XT2 with the converter? I have been looking at the XT2 but didn't want to have to purchase new lens. No desire to sell my D500 or lens but looking for something smaller for long day trips.

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Aug 28, 2018 12:59:16   #
Diocletian
 
burkphoto wrote:
Mirrorless cameras have special applications that dSLRs can't handle. Unless you need them for those special applications, you don't need them:

* Work absolutely silently in a dark theatre, with no light from a rear screen to disturb patrons behind you. (EVF plus electronic shutter = stealth mode!)
* Do vibration-free macro work at long shutter speeds with remote control via WiFi and a smartphone app. (mirrorless design plus electronic shutter + WiFi = no vibration!)
* Do nature photography silently and remotely (mirrorless design plus electronic shutter + WiFi = remote control of a silent camera!)
* NEVER have to "fine tune a lens" to your camera bodies' focusing systems. (Focus sensing happens in the imaging sensor of a mirrorless, so if it's in focus in the EVF or OLED LCD, it's in focus!)
* Clean your sensor much less often. (No mirror means no mirror to fan flying droplets of lubricants, or metal shavings, or foam particles from the mirror dampener...)
* Record top notch video AND stills with the same camera. (While you can record video with a dSLR, the EVF allows much greater flexibility.)
* Use 4K or 6K still capture modes to work at high frame rates (30-60 frames per second STILLS)

There are many more reasons we mirrorless users love them. Specific brands do different things differently, so to really get a sense of what they do, you have to read the reviews and study the camera manuals (all online at manufacturer web sites).

I can tell you that the Nikon mirrorless will likely adapt F-mount lenses better than any adapter for Fujifilm cameras. We shall see. They'll need that adapter, because they don't plan to release many lenses in the first few years. (Which comes first, the bodies, or the lenses? They can't sell one without the others!)

The vast majority of dSLR owners should keep their gear for now. Wait until the over-eager GAS hogs take the slings and arrows of new technology in the back, and Nikon fixes a few things. If you need a mirrorless next week, go rent a Sony or Olympus or Panasonic or Fujifilm camera. All four have reasonably mature systems. They're all quite different, but they are all cameras.
Mirrorless cameras have special applications that ... (show quote)


Is logic allowed on this forum? Ouch! That must have hurt the little brains of all those rabid DSLR fanatics out there....



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Aug 28, 2018 13:08:32   #
old poet
 
Thanks for your intelligent, thoughtful and helpful answer to the OPs question. It is an important issue and deserved a good response.

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Aug 28, 2018 13:33:37   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
speters wrote:
No one needs a Nikon Z camera, no one needs any camera, its what someone wants and no one needs to explain why!


That’s it in a nutshell.

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Aug 28, 2018 13:44:38   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Desert Gecko wrote:
And with a DSLR in mirror lockup, how well can you compose, focus, and acquire proper exposure? You can't. For silent shooting, mirrorless is the only answer.


Yep. Last Fall, I sat in the "audience" of a university play set in a Scottish pub scene. Actually, the entire audience were parts of the play, which happened around us! My son had one of the leading roles, and he told the director I could photograph the play to document it for her senior thesis. She (and the department chairperson) quickly agreed, so long as I didn't use flash or make any noise, or use the rear screen of my camera.

I recorded over 300 images, using the EVF and silent electronic shutter mode. Here are a few. As you can see, some of the action occurred right on the bar table in front of me! You might guess that my son played a devil. I had never seen the play, so what I recorded was all new to me.

I could not have done this, nor even attempted it with a dSLR!


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Aug 28, 2018 13:45:52   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
russraman wrote:
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Discussion (twice) as well as watched or read user reviews on numerous web sites, but I still don’t understand why I should want or need this new mirrorless camera. I currently own a Nikon D810 and two Nikon Df’s along with a variety of AI-S, D, G and E lenses. What are the compelling reasons why I should add this camera to my current Nikon product collection or replace one of my existing cameras? And if for some reason I need a mirrorless camera, wouldn’t I be better off buying a Fujifilm XT2 with a Nikon F mount converter?
I watched the online Nikon Z6/7 Hands-on Panel Dis... (show quote)


You should buy a Z6 or Z7 because Nikon needs your money.

Plus there's the "cool factor" of being the first kit on the block to have one!

Or maybe you should wait for the Z8 and Z9, because rumor has it those will be even better!

(I can't help but wonder what happened to the Z1, Z2, Z3, Z4 and Z5 )

But seriously, if you gotta ask, you probably don't "need" it! If you can't point to some feature(s) of the new camera that will clearly be a benefit to you, keep your money... Or maybe put it toward taking a trip to some photogenic location with the gear you've got.

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