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Aug 17, 2018 15:11:35   #
Angmo
 
I shoot manual or at most aperture priority. My camera cannot read my mind nor interpret my vision. So I must control the camera and let it know what I need.

Its just that simple.

Heres a shot. With 6 strobes at 5:30am. Good luck getting that done in auto. I had designed the shoot down to the strobe, modifier, placement and f-stop a week before.



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Aug 17, 2018 15:13:59   #
Angmo
 
Other shots and bts. Know your f-stops. Understand them. Memorize them. Everything on your camera is f-stops. One stop between shutter speeds, aperture and ISO settings. Your meter is in f-stops. F-stops are the big secret in Photography. Understand them and light.





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Aug 17, 2018 15:19:00   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
rmalarz wrote:
Because any other mode would not facilitate my placing the Zonal values where I needed them to make this photograph.
--Bob


Epic photo Bob! I support your response. Although some say the camera is smarter than the human eye, the camera can be fooled. The human eye rarely unless it is defective. I always thought of manual focus as "fine tuning".

Macro photos seem to work best in manual mode for me.



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Aug 17, 2018 15:24:31   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Angmo wrote:
Other shots and bts. Know your f-stops. Understand them. Memorize them. Everything on your camera is f-stops. One stop between shutter speeds, aperture and ISO settings. Your meter is in f-stops. F-stops are the big secret in Photography. Understand them and light.


Not to pick a nit, but there is a difference between "f stops" and "stops" in terms of exposure. In other words, "two stops under..." means two EVs less exposure, not literally that you can only reduce the exposure by reducing the aperture. Reducing the aperture or reducing the shutter speed will, of course, have different effects, but produce identical exposures. I think this little nit sometimes confuses newbies who think of f stops and exposure stops as synonyms.

Just my $.02....

Andy

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Aug 17, 2018 15:31:56   #
Angmo
 
AndyH wrote:
Not to pick a nit, but there is a difference between "f stops" and "stops" in terms of exposure. In other words, "two stops under..." means two EVs less exposure, not literally that you can only reduce the exposure by reducing the aperture. Reducing the aperture or reducing the shutter speed will, of course, have different effects, but produce identical exposures. I think this little nit sometimes confuses newbies who think of f stops and exposure stops as synonyms.

Just my $.02....

Andy
Not to pick a nit, but there is a difference betwe... (show quote)

I reduced the math and physics to a minimum...

A full stop is double or half the light, depending on which way you go. Same with light fallloff from a flash (strobe/speedlight).

I show my students with a string with marks at 0, 1.4, 2, 2.8, 4, 5.6, 8, 11 ... feet. Between each aperture setting on the string you gain twice or lose half the light from the face of a strobe.

That way they can see it.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:34:59   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
zzzynick wrote:
Some people are just snobs. They believe they are better than you, and smarter than a camera.
The manual snobs are like, If you shoot in any other mode you are not really a photographer.
BS.
For me it depends on my shot, the last Blood Moon I used manual.
Most of the time I shoot in AV mode.
I have sold pictures using AV.
I set my ISO and my f/stop for where I am, and bingo take a shot.
One this site there are the "artsy" snobs where Black and white is a must.
Ansel shot in b&W, and, it ain't street if it's color.
Check out the contrast, it's so moody. It sets the tone.
More BS.
There are only a handful of photograpers than can consistantly pull off b&W.
They are not here.
Everyone, even me, gets a lucky shot that looks better in B&W.
Until these snobs start paying my bills, I will ignore them as much as I can
Although there are some that totally annoy me.
As long as I am ranting, there are the fan club snobs.
One could post a Natonial Geograpic winner, and if your not part of the fan club here, it will get panned.
I have seen shots I would be ashamed to post, get rave reviews from the fans.
My advice to you would be, shoot the way you are most comfortable with.
But read, learn. Practice.
Expand your knowledge.
There are so many free, how to take a great picture sites on the web.
This summer instead of watching reruns on tv. Go to your computer and google sites on the triangle. How to use light.
Then go out and try what you learned.
The last piece of advice I will leave you with is,
don't even think about what someone else is doing, be yourself.
If you see what you think is a great picture take it.
If it isn't so great, so what, learn from it. Think about what you could have done differently.
And lastly have fun.
Some people are just snobs. They believe they are ... (show quote)

Do you enjoy being insulting or do you just have an inferiority complex. You are so ready to call so many others snobs for taking positions you don't agree with. You used the word snob 4 times in your post. If anything you sound like a snob.

I shoot in manual mode almost 100% of the time. Like every manual shooter I personally know, I never criticize others for the shooting modes they use. I couldn't care less. I use manual because I'm very comfortable with it and it gives me more flexibility and the exact results I want easier and faster than with Aperture Priority or Shutter Priority. I'm constantly reading posts from those who shoot in aperture priority indicating there is absolutely no need to ever shoot in manual mode. Talk about snobs. It comes down to whatever works for you and your satisfaction with the end results. If manual shooters are asked we will point out why we shoot in manual and what we feel the advantages are to us. That does not make us snobs.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:42:28   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Retina wrote:
I never heard of the triangle. Is it like a tripod for long exposures? Forgive me, I am a newcomer and only recently learned that the word lens is obsolete and was replaced by the term "glass" years ago. It takes a while to get used to this digital stuff. I was really happy to learn that you can set sensitivity AFTER loading a new memory card so all the pictures I take have a better chance. At least I know why the cashier looked at me funny when I ask for an ASA 400 card. So what is the triangle, anyway?
I never heard of the triangle. Is it like a tripod... (show quote)


Welcome to the 'hog. The EXPOSURE triangle is the relationship between aperture (volume of light coming through the diaphragm in the lens), shutter speed (length of time of the exposure), and sensitivity measured by ISO (pronounced EYESO in the USA, EEESO in most of the rest of the world, not an acronym but the proper name of the International Organization for Standardization).

For a given sensitivity setting (ISO) there is a FIXED amount of light which will create a proper exposure of a scene. Proper exposure is subject to interpretation and post-photography processing manipulation.

Adjusting the shutter, aperture, and ISO controls on your camera is what balances these points of the triangle around the available illumination. More light allows faster shutter speeds, and/or smaller apertures, and/or lower ISO. Less light requires longer/slower shutter speeds, and/or wider apertures, and/or higher ISO. Again, all three points of the triangle must be IN BALANCE with the amount of light you have, or will use, to make the exposure. You cannot adjust one without adjusting at least one of the others. Failure to adjust means the scene is underexposed (too dark) or overexposed (too light).

Camera automation attempts to do this for you. HOWEVER, since the light meter in the camera is calibrated for an average scene reflectance between 12% and 18% (which is correct is the subject of much conjecture and argument here), if you use automation on a black cat in a coal bin, the scene will come out GRAY. If you use automation on a white, blonde bride in a white dress against a white wall, the scene will come out GRAY. Manual exposure methods rely on metering knowledge, test targets, experience, exposure compensation settings... all sorts of methods to compensate for the dumb meter reading.

Most modern cameras have some attempt at "intelligent" metering patterns built into them, but all may be fooled under certain circumstances.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:43:43   #
swartfort Loc: Evansville, IN
 
Linda From Maine wrote:

But to further yours and my discussion: awhile back Sharpshooter was suggesting admin have a feature where we could post our "15 best." I thought it should go one step further to where if you didn't have any pics in that "portfolio,"


I really agree with this idea. Even to the point that in my byline/signature there is a link to my flicker page along with the equipment/gear I used to obtain said images. SO, if you want to see how I put into practice what I share, you have an easy click to see option. I have done this on many posters (and posers) here and find it useful to help digest posts that I seem to have problems swallowing.... I'd suggest others use the "click and see" practice to see the experience level of the poster....

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Aug 17, 2018 15:45:05   #
DJO
 
It's quite simple: with "manual" you are telling the camera what to do instead of the other way around.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:48:03   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
zzzynick wrote:
So within in a matter of milliseconds you can determine ISO, white balance, shutter speed and aperture? And then manually make the adjustments on your camera? Damn, you are better than I am.

Most of the time the camera does not automatically give me the shutter speed or the aperture I want or need. I am much better at determining what I want then the camera is. I also may not want the exposure the camera wants me to have. And the camera sure as hell doesn't give me the best white balance much of the time. Giving me the wrong settings for my requirements automatically in miiliseconds is no great achievement. As a photographer I'd rather take a little more time and get it right. In other words I want to make the decisions on how the end results will look rather than leaving it up to the decisions of an engineer who is not around to look through my viewfinder. It's called being a photographer.

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Aug 17, 2018 15:51:21   #
buckwheat Loc: Clarkdale, AZ and Belen NM
 
As I recall, the racoon was shot on auto! I guess what I should have said, using the same film, developed in the same way, I shot so much I no longer had to meter. It became intuitive. But I also should add, just as I use Photoshop today, processing and post processing done in the darkroom saved a few marginal shots.
SharpShooter wrote:
Buckwheat, I don’t have popcorn but that statement above is hilarious!!! LoL
Shirley you JEST!!!
There is no way in H*LL, even with an old film camera friction-taped to your hand, that you could meter light, focus and shoot as fast as even a cheap digital camera today, especially while swinging a dead raccoon overhead with the other hand!!!!!
Please pass the popcorn, the comedy hour has started!!!
But don’t get me wrong, I get your point!!! LoL
SS
Buckwheat, I don’t have popcorn but that statement... (show quote)

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Aug 17, 2018 15:55:30   #
Daryl New Loc: Wellington,New Zealand
 
Very true Linda,agree.

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Aug 17, 2018 16:28:05   #
Angmo
 
All camera settings are just tools to get the job done. Use whatever you are comfortable but learn and master them all. Then you’ll pull up what’s necessary for the situation.

i.e., if you need a shallow depth of field, you have several options to get there.

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Aug 17, 2018 16:38:13   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
Orange Krate wrote:
Epic photo Bob! I support your response. Although some say the camera is smarter than the human eye, the camera can be fooled. The human eye rarely unless it is defective. I always thought of manual focus as "fine tuning".

Macro photos seem to work best in manual mode for me.


Krate, I think a lot of people just don’t know how a camera focuses.
But I have to disagree with your comment.
A camera will NEVER be as smart as a human eye, because the human eye has a super-computer hooked to it.
But a camera can focus precisely about a 1000 times faster than any human can!!!
The camera Fine-Tunes every shot too. VERY FAST!
And 9 out of 10 it will do it better than a human using Live View x10. The shallower the dof the more accurate. I’ve tested that many times. BUT the photographer definitely needs to know how to set up the best focus option because as everybody so correctly points out, the camera will NEVER be able to read your mind!!!
SS

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Aug 17, 2018 16:46:56   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
buckwheat wrote:
As I recall, the racoon was shot on auto! I guess what I should have said, using the same film, developed in the same way, I shot so much I no longer had to meter. It became intuitive. But I also should add, just as I use Photoshop today, processing and post processing done in the darkroom saved a few marginal shots.


Buckwheat, I know exactly what you meant! I just had to drag the raccoon into it, that’s all!!! LoL
And speaking of wheat.....


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