Canon 5D MIV (refirb), Canon 5D MIII (refirb) or new Canon 6D MII?
Aug 7, 2018 11:33:23 #
Karl's Bird Photography wrote:
I think it's the other way around.
DP Review show the 5DMarkIV with the AA filter. They are comparing the Mark IV with Nikon's D810 which does not have the AA filter.
Canon also has two 50MP bodies: the 5DS and the 5DSR. One has the AA filter and the other does not. I believe the 5DSR does not but I don't own Canon so someone who owns a Canon will have to chime in on this one.
Aug 7, 2018 12:01:08 #
About a year ago I opted for a 6D2. It came to a choice between the 6D2 and the 5D4. After looking at both, I took the 6D2 which was hands down the best camera for me. Price wasn't the issue, it was the articulated touch screen that made the difference for me. I like to do a lot of macro and close-ups, and the articulated screen is a god-send to those like me who don't like to get down on their bellies to photograph any more (did a lot of that in the distant past). I could find absolutely nothing the 5D4 did that the 6D2 couldn't do as well or better for me. I'm not a professional so the double storage slots on the 5D4 was of no interest for me.
Aug 7, 2018 12:21:23 #
The good thing is that all your Canon lenses will work with any of the full frame bodies you decide on. I'm not sure about the Tamron or the Samyang. If you wish to continue to dabble in astrophotography, you may want to consider a faster wide angle lens such as the 16-35 f/2.8. I'm not sure, but Tokina may make a fast lens for a full frame body that is much less expensive for doing astrophotography. I am considering one for my Canon 7D Mark II. I know they make one to fit that body. I had the 5D III and thought it was great, but when the Mark IV came out I had to have it because there are so many improvements. Too many to list but one that is nice is the invalmeter that is built into the camera for doing long exposure timelapse images.
lil'_r1ch wrote:
Greetings. I have been reading postings here for ... (show quote)
Aug 7, 2018 13:10:28 #
beerhunter13
Loc: Southern Ontario, Canada
I would stay away from the 6D. Although it is a full frame camera, it doesn't come close to the 5DmkIV when it comes to features. For birds and nature, the 7DmkII is my favourite. Great autofocus, good low light capability and the 1.6x crop factor really helps bring the birds in close. For everything else, I use either my 5DmkIII or 5DmkIV. The mark IV is a great camera and has so many features reading the manual is advisable. As a previous poster stated, you won't go wrong with any of the cameras on your list.
Aug 7, 2018 13:18:38 #
beerhunter13 wrote:
I would stay away from the 6D. Although it is a f... (show quote)
Your advice for some of us is ill advice. If you need an articulating screen as I do, the 5D Mk II is totally useless.
Aug 7, 2018 13:19:25 #
rcarol wrote:
Your advice for some of us is ill advice. If you need an articulating screen as I do, the 5D Mk II is totally useless.
Should be Mk IV.
Aug 7, 2018 13:30:07 #
beerhunter13 wrote:
I would stay away from the 6D. Although it is a f... (show quote)
One feature that may have made a difference for me would be focus stacking. If the 5D4 offered that, or an articulated screen, I may have opted for it but, alas, it doesn't. The 6D2 did offer the screen.
Aug 7, 2018 13:41:14 #
jackm1943 wrote:
One feature that may have made a difference for me would be focus stacking. If the 5D4 offered that, or an articulated screen, I may have opted for it but, alas, it doesn't. The 6D2 did offer the screen.
In my opinion in camera focus stacking is a gimmick and limited compared to manually focus stacking or using the Helicon FB Tube. As to the articulating screen, well useful for use indoors (but I can tether to a laptop) but as for me - outdoors I can't even see the screen if it is daylight. I have never used the articulating screen on my 80D and with both it and my 5DIV I keep the touch feature turned off because of touching the screen with part of my face while looking through the viewfinder.
If you like in camera stacking, OK, your preference. If you can see the screen outdoors in daylight and like using it, go for it. I haven't had to do it yet and can probably get by without it forever.
Aug 7, 2018 16:55:55 #
SharpShooter wrote:
lil, there's another camera that you did NOT mention. Look at used 5Ds's. For what you mention the 50mp is pretty hard to beat. It's not as new as the 5lV but is an extremely capable camera.
IF you don't feel you need a high frame rate it's an awesome camera and probably hitting $2000 used!
Good luck
SS
IF you don't feel you need a high frame rate it's an awesome camera and probably hitting $2000 used!
Good luck
SS
I have a 5Ds and love it. Plenty of room for cropping for sure. BUT......it is not very strong in low light situations. In fact the ISO settings only go to 6400. I believe all the others you mentioned are much better with higher ISOs. I know my 6D was very good in low light. But if low light is not an issue and/or you like big prints or tons of cropping room, then the 5Ds can make some awesome images.
Aug 7, 2018 17:16:57 #
FiddleMaker wrote:
DP Review show the 5DMarkIV with the AA filter. They are comparing the Mark IV with Nikon's D810 which does not have the AA filter.
Canon also has two 50MP bodies: the 5DS and the 5DSR. One has the AA filter and the other does not. I believe the 5DSR does not but I don't own Canon so someone who owns a Canon will have to chime in on this one.
Canon also has two 50MP bodies: the 5DS and the 5DSR. One has the AA filter and the other does not. I believe the 5DSR does not but I don't own Canon so someone who owns a Canon will have to chime in on this one.
You are correct. The r model does not have the AA filter, or at least a canceling device.
You’ll NEVER see the difference!
The s model is cheaper. And for some shots the s is better! Yes I have an s model.
SS
Aug 7, 2018 21:03:27 #
robertjerl wrote:
In my opinion in camera focus stacking is a gimmic... (show quote)
If the camera is literally on the ground, or only 2-3 inches above shooting fungi and such, I don't know how one could use the viewfinder without literally getting on one's belly. I have no problems seeing the screen even during bright sunlight, so maybe I'm just lucky. I also do quite a lot of focus stacking, both manual with a tripod, and handheld. If the camera could do focus stepping, I'd at least try it. A good friend has an FB Tube and thinks it's more trouble than it's worth. I haven't borrowed it yet. Setting up the camera for focus stepping would probably be just as much trouble tho. In any event, I still think the 6D2 was best for me. I wouldn't use any of the additional features the 5D4 could offer.
Now, the 5Ds, that could be another story. Two good friends have this camera (including the one with the FB Tube) and they sometimes make huge prints. I seldom go beyond 16x20, but have printed up to 23x30, and the 5Ds would probably handle that easily.
Aug 7, 2018 22:34:21 #
I cheat. My backyard is terraced (4 levels) so if I want to take pictures of grass stems or the little critters that hide in them I will just stay on a lower terrace and take pictures of the next one up.
Down on my belly! My knees won't let me get up and down anymore unless I have something to grab on to and pull myself up. Thank goodness my arms and shoulder still work fairly well. I do mostly birds and such, not much need to get down in the dirt. But I still like the idea of an articulating screen just in case I ever need it. But my 6D and now 5DIV don't have it so I get along without it. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Back when I used to visit a friend who lived up in the Sierras and went out looking about in the woods I carried a .357. Didn't plan on using it, didn't want to have to use it, but....
Down on my belly! My knees won't let me get up and down anymore unless I have something to grab on to and pull myself up. Thank goodness my arms and shoulder still work fairly well. I do mostly birds and such, not much need to get down in the dirt. But I still like the idea of an articulating screen just in case I ever need it. But my 6D and now 5DIV don't have it so I get along without it. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
Back when I used to visit a friend who lived up in the Sierras and went out looking about in the woods I carried a .357. Didn't plan on using it, didn't want to have to use it, but....
Aug 8, 2018 11:17:47 #
rcarol wrote:
Your advice for some of us is ill advice. If you need an articulating screen as I do, the 5D Mk II is totally useless.
But for the OP (you know, the person we are trying to help?) it might be good advice since the OP wants to shoot "landscape, nature, birds and macro" I have the 80D and love the screen. But if my focus was "landscape, nature, birds and macro", it would not be the deal breaker.
Aug 8, 2018 13:29:55 #
dsmeltz wrote:
But for the OP (you know, the person we are trying to help?) it might be good advice since the OP wants to shoot "landscape, nature, birds and macro" I have the 80D and love the screen. But if my focus was "landscape, nature, birds and macro", it would not be the deal breaker.
True.
Aug 8, 2018 14:25:48 #
I own the Canon 6D, and the 5D Mark IV. Following the purchase of the 5D MIV, I've not taken the 6D out of the house. I shoot the 5D Mark IV for everything. It does a great job on everything I shoot from birds, to scenery. There is a lot of scenery here in New Hampshire, along with many large and small game animals from bears to moose. Spend the money on the 5D Mark IV, you'll never look back.
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