Al Freeedman

Trump is un-screwing the screwing Obama did to our country.

You liberals are a bunch of un-happy people.

Captain Al

James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

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Agreed ---

I did put a polite answer to the OP's question

;-)

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James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

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Uh!!!!

What has This had to do with what the OP asked?

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James R. Kyle Loc: Saint Louis, Missouri (A Suburb of Ferguson)

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ONLY if There is are Posted Signs to state that there is No Pulling over to the shoulder --- Are with "common sense" = IF there is NO shoulder are area to Safely stop the vehicle. ((No Area to pull clear = Don't Do It.))

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sv3noKin51E

Dennis, The side topic of firearms and photography, most jokes aside; depending on which state you're in, Native Americans have been displaying and using firearms for as long as they've had them. The old adage of never bringing a knife (or camera) into any discussion where firearms may be, discretion being the better part of good judgement or valor applies. It's better to smile and move on rather than become a statistic. As in any dispute, lawyers will argue any point, to any length even if they're wrong, regardless of facts or the Constitution, until the money is exhausted.

As for firearms in general, in states which now apply full 2nd Amendment rights to all citizens of lawful age, who can lawfully purchase own/possess/display/conceal-carry, can protect themselves and property without a license or permit. Rural property owners don't care for unknown person, pulling over to snap a few photos of their property. Common sense and common courtesy is a better philosophy. In such states, most of them are rural, with little in the way of local police or regular patrols. Calling LE and hoping they show up unless shots are flying takes a long time, so don't test the theory. Said Citizens are not required to retreat from any area they are lawfully occupying, private or public but especially if they own it. Such citizens may stand their ground, and will defend it. If you see a property owner, don't guess, don't assume and don't take their photo; approach them slowly with your hands empty, away from your pockets, in plain view, introduce yourself, then if that goes well, you can very politely ask for permission to photograph their animal. Don't let them think you have a weapon; by now, everyone knows that cell phones are being mistaken for pistols by police and people get killed. Rural property owners with firearms will defend themselves or their property and they aren't fond or tolerant of photographers. You might do better with taking a photo with a pink cell phone, rather than you DSLR. Saying, 'I want to take a photo of your horse, I have rights because I'm standing by the road' is going to antagonize someone.

Eventually, you might convince an ACLU lawyer somewhere to file a Federal civil rights lawsuit, if a property owner tells you to skedaddle and/or fires a warning shot into the air; they have rights too. So what, if you see a horse from the highway? As Clint Eastwood's Dirty Harry character famously stated, you have to ask yourself a couple of questions, do you feel lucky and/or, is snapping a photo of Trigger really worth it? OK, Clint didn't say the 2nd part. Country folks are fed up with being robbed or worse daiy, by unknown people; their houses are broken into, cars and critters are stolen and some are shot by passersby, claiming to be someone else, such as a photographer or someone who says they have car trouble. In the past, farm/country dwellers used to be much more friendly. Realistically, LE is usually too far away to respond, and country folks are used to being self sufficient. All them have guns and know how to use them. Law enforcement isn't much interested in animal photography unless it involves a crime scene with a police dog sniffing around. Anyone who doesn't remember the idiots who chased Jackie Kennedy or Princes Diana aren't exactly revered. Ask, what would Ansel do?

A while back, an enterprising twit photographer thought he'd get a perfect drone video of a quaint rural setting, so flew his HD drone over private property; the property owner shot the drone down, protecting his daughter and wife's privacy; they were sunning themselves on their deck. The judge said the dunce's drone shouldn't have been where it was, and the GPS tag on the video file proved it. Too many cases are like that now. Be wise, whatever you snap, and wherever you go, go in Peace.

Al Freeedman

It was in reply to his remark about the country being screwed by Trump.

drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

That is a long post, I believe, chastising me for my post. As an ex LEO and owner of a couple of hundred acres of ranch land, I have had my share of dealing with trespassers on others land as well as my own. On my own land I carried a Remington 870 Police Model, ready to fire as I yelled to the unknown trespasser(s) to come out. He did with his hands up. I had no intention of shooting unless I felt threatened. He had no right to be on my land and he knew it as I had warned him before. When the deputy arrived and asked if I wanted him arrested, I asked the trespasser if I needed to have him arrested or did he get the message. He said he finally understood I was serious. The deputy backed me up and said he would be patrolling my area. If he ever saw the guy again on my land there would be an arrest made.

In the case of me arresting trespassers, another state, I played the same role to that landowner. The trespasser left and a FID, Field Identification Card, was filled out for future reference.

As for the Native American carrying a firearm, I have absolutely no problem with people carrying firearms. My point was that he can only lawfully shoot IF he is actually threatened by the trespasser. Legally he cannot touch the trespasser unless in self defense.

As for the ACLU, they mean nothing to me or most everyone in law enforcement. They are a Communist organization bent on destroying America.

Dennis

drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio

Quite right about the police in rural America. The police may take 30 minutes to arrive and by then your trespasser may have shot or used a baseball bat on you and your entire family. I live in a bad neighborhood so yes I Carry concealed legally permit and all. only because the drug dealers used to live upstairs of me. Note the dealers are gone and I am still here. Old marines may not fear anything but we sure are cautious in the face of danger. In my area it still takes 15 to 20 minutes of time for a policeman to show up at my doorstep. Even an ambulance shows up with a patrolman right behind but yet it still amasses to a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes of time. I would prefer to be safe than to allow my chance of not staying alive to be determined by the criminal element and the not so speedy arrival of help. I grew up in the country and my father was a WWII vet who sometimes had the shrapnel in his head left from his WWII injury move which placed him into seizure so at the age of 12 I learned about grand mall seizures and helped mom until the ambulance arrived which usually meant dad was coming out of the seizure when help arrived. So in the country I would expect a man protecting his privacy rights in the country to be possibly carrying a rifle. So many city dwellers do not understand not only in the country can you expect mankind to not be nice but there are other things like coyotes and feral dog packs that bother people and a farmers livestock not to mention feral cats as well as larger wild cats or even bears. most people living in the country will normally carry rifles on racks in their trucks as well as Pistols sometime on their hips. City folk seem impressed when they visit countries like the areas around and near Pakistan that the locals carry military arms openly. To them it has always been that way and to our rural brothers and sisters it has also always been that way. A normal way of life to them. Sometimes it might be best to greet the farmer and ask permission and send the farmer a copy of the beautiful picture you took of the farmer's land or that old barn you liked to photographed. If we are friendly to them they may just respect us. the again I have found very few people after a bit of communication to be hateful toward me. Ex-wives excluded of course.

Steamboat

So as the OP asked:
Can I photograph your horses for personal use while standing on a public road? ....or would you shoot me?
Cant you just walk up to the fence and ask me what I'm doing without the weapon drawn?
Seriously HANDS UP!....but I usually don't use a camera strap.
Its not like I mean you, your horses or your land or any harm? I'm just taking pictures over the fence?
Aren't you escalating a perfectly calm exchange of one photographer to another,one human to another?
Maybe we can have a nice chat about your pretty horses, the light or photography?
I'm not quite sure your point is?

MikeMck Loc: Southern Maryland on the Bay

I’m the OP who asked if folks thought I was violating some law by taking a picture of an animal in full view. I have no idea how it ended up talking about gun rights. I do, however thank those of you who made helpful comments.

Shutterbugsailer Loc: Staten Island NY (AKA Cincinnati by the Sea)

Yes, and you heard it from the 🐎 👄

hawleyrw Loc: Dayton, OH

Feel free to stop and take the photo. the PRIMARY thing is to try and pull of where you can be off of the road a safe distance from the highway OR the State Troopers might have you move on.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Quite right sir and Semper Fi. Thanks for your service.

When I owned close to 200 acres in CO I carried everywhere but carried always on my property. Not only two legged predators could be a threat but also rattle snakes, bears and mountain lions. There was also the usual presence of coyotes and feral cats which were shot on sight. Behind a few doors were loaded long guns, shotgun or AR style. Opening my door to the mud porch one night left me staring at a bear cub. Luckily he skedaddled before mama bear came to see what the baby was bawling about.

Neighboring ranchers felt the same as I did. While a few visited frequently and knew where some guns were, they would never have thought to touch them without permission.

Firearms definitely have a place in society. Thank God and the Constitutional framers for the 2nd Amendment.

Dennis

MTG44 Loc: Corryton, Tennessee

Was it naked?