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Aug 3, 2012 18:30:39   #
FLandWVMIKE Loc: Daytona Beach, Fla.
 
ole sarg wrote:
Mike Burch

You do know that a foreign student cannot receive financial aide from any lending institution in the US. You do know that if he received financial aide from his home country it would not be recorded in his college records. You know this of course because you went to college.


I did graduate from college, thank you !

You say if he received aid from his "home country". Do you have some ideas, as to what is his home country ?

If he was a foriegn student, it will be in his records. I have no idea where he got his "aid", do you ?

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Aug 3, 2012 18:31:24   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Your source please!!!!! or is it just smoke!!Come on your better then this!!!
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Blurreyed no one is going to back off on this until he releases the returns. The GOP old guard such as Will, Crystal, Newt, etc. wants it and so do the Dems. Romney is not the most popular guy within the party.

I don't think there will be a debate on anything until he releases the returns.

Your thoughts


Let's demand that BO release his college records, the ones that say he took funds for being a foriegn student.
I do suppose that new college records are being made at the present time, though.
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Aug 3, 2012 18:32:23   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Blurreyed your usually better then this.

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Aug 3, 2012 18:38:04   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Why when shown facts the neo cons resort to lies, rumors and name calling? Hmmmm Facts and Neo cons are like Vampires and Sunlight, don't go well with each other.

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Aug 3, 2012 18:52:39   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Reddog wrote:
Blurreyed your usually better then this.


LOL Reddog, I conceded to Ole sarg that his post was worthy of consideration which it is... maybe not a game changer but at least it gives one more than pure rhetoric to consider.

And, as far as my conversation with DebJenRob, I stand by what I said, I am not going to spend alot of time looking for reference as what I said can be researched, it is factual. DebJenRob and I as far as I can tell are in disagreement of the facts, but of the role that government should be playing in the issue... The oil does not belong to the midwest and the pipeline was being developed with private money, all permitting had been signed off and the project was a go when the president stepped in and shut it down... I think that we can agree on that much... where we are in disagreement is if it is proper for the feds to restrict where that oil flows to and what will become of that oil and our relationship with our largest source of imported oil now that our refusal to proceed have opened up the Canadian market to China and provided them with one more pathway to our Gulf of Mexico.... as they are already working with Cuba and now they trying to assume the Canadian leases in the Gulf thru the purchases of the Canadian company.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:03:50   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Blurreyed I was talking about college records and you usually make good points but that was smoke and Bs and you know it LOL
Blurryeyed wrote:
Reddog wrote:
Blurreyed your usually better then this.


LOL Reddog, I conceded to Ole sarg that his post was worthy of consideration which it is... maybe not a game changer but at least it gives one more than pure rhetoric to consider.

And, as far as my conversation with DebJenRob, I stand by what I said, I am not going to spend alot of time looking for reference as what I said can be researched, it is factual. DebJenRob and I as far as I can tell are in disagreement of the facts, but of the role that government should be playing in the issue... The oil does not belong to the midwest and the pipeline was being developed with private money, all permitting had been signed off and the project was a go when the president stepped in and shut it down... I think that we can agree on that much... where we are in disagreement is if it is proper for the feds to restrict where that oil flows to and what will become of that oil and our relationship with our largest source of imported oil now that our refusal to proceed have opened up the Canadian market to China and provided them with one more pathway to our Gulf of Mexico.... as they are already working with Cuba and now they trying to assume the Canadian leases in the Gulf thru the purchases of the Canadian company.
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Aug 3, 2012 19:05:36   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Romney needs to copy Obama Show his records and end this!

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Aug 3, 2012 19:10:08   #
baloia58 Loc: Surprise, AZ
 
Why doesn't someone ask Obama to release all of his papers that he has sealed? He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes. We don't even know who he is. Lay off of Romney at least he is honest about who he is. Thats a lot more than we can say about Obama.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:10:09   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
DEBJENROB wrote:
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
Romney, I'm sure, has used every legal loophole to keep his taxes down. Releasing his returns, will give the pinheads items to criticize. I think you can be sure there is nothing illegal in there.
He has given VERY much to charity, so his taxes might be low. I think I read where Biden had given $300.00 to charity.
You know that BO's campaign theme is negative Romney, because he can not possibably run on his own record.


Both are running negative campaigns .... but it seems that is what they public responds to ... think about what is being written in these exchanges .... and I don't think that anyone is suggesting that there is anything illegal in his tax returns .... but there may be some things that are embaressing ..... almost like a pro-life advocate being caught in a abortion clinic ....
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So silly, again the democrats obscure what is really important, which is not how much money Romney paid in taxes, but what is the candidates vision for the future of this country. It is clear that the president will continue to restrict the development of energy resources, he will look to continue the same taxing system that is filled with graft and favor, and he will continue to push for a larger federal government with broader powers and stronger control over private industry... He will do nothing to lower his deficits and will not stop stealing from the future generations of this country... And, lastly he will do little to rebuild the economic base in this country, if anything he will continue to restrict and damage it... If that is what you want for the future of this country then by all means vote for president Obama...
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I see I am making all this up.... then why is Chuck Schumer calling upon Timothy Geithner to fight China's purchase of the Canadian oil company Nexen.... Oh! maybe because the president told Canada to take their Oil and shove it, which indicated to China that now is the time to come in and purchase Canadian companies giving them access to not only Canadian oil, but to the Gulf of Mexico as well... Why is the interior department granting so few new oil leases on federal land???

Why did the government try and tell Boeing that it could not open a plant in SC and did not back off until Boeing made concessions to the unions in Washington....

Why is the federal government shutting down the Coal Industry, the largest energy resource in America?

Why is the president resistant to Tax Reform????

Why has spending so increased under this president even though we have ended one of the two wars??

Where are the line by line cost cutting measures promised by the president as he and his team were to review the federal budgets cutting our deficits by 50%????

Why does the president continue to write long term budgets with deficits in excess of $1 trillion year after year????

What measures has the president taken to signal to american entrepreneurs and businesses that America is a good investment? All I have seen him do is continue to create uncertainty at a time when there is uneasiness in the markets...

What minority group or special interest has the president not promised something to at a costs that will only add to the deficit spending???

Will the EPA not continue its quest to establish the goals of Cap and Trade even though it clearly failed in the congress???

Will the interior department continue to restrict the use of federal lands that comprise the majority of land in many Western states denying those states and communities of productive resources???

Will the president do anything to get the country moving again, or will he continue to rule by executive order bypassing congress with edicts that will eventually be ruled unconstitutional???

How can the president claim that he has not raised taxes when Obamacare has $1 trillion in new taxes built into it???

Why does the president think that local firemen, police and teachers and their pensions are the responsibility of the Federal government, and if reelected when he goes ahead funds these groups will he then expect the federal government to assume that responsibility for years to come, is this going to be further expansion of the Federal government.... and what strings will be attached to that federal money???

Obama has no plan other than federal spending, if that is what you want, and if you think that is fair to pass on to future generations along with continued energy resource dependence... like I said by all means vote for him...
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I don't have any interest in addressing each of your points .... but I did some reaserch several months ago on the Keystone pipeline ... I don't know if you had read the testimony of the CEO of TransCan ... the company that wants the Pipeline .... he testified before the Canadian Parliment that it was their interest in obtaining a deep water port on the Gulf of Mexcio so that they could export the oil to nations other than the United States .... what you also don't seem to knoww is that there are 7 underutikized pipelines that terminate in the Mid-West ... these pipelines are use to provide product to the Mid_West farmer .... TransCan estimates that if the Keystone Pipeline is built ... they will crese using these pipelines that supply the American farm belt .... the net to TansCan would be an increase of $5 billion per year in profit ... the additional profit would come from overseas sales and increased fuel prices in the Mid West .... so Obama was correct in not approving the pipeline .... and if you recall ... TransCan stated that if Keystone was not built ... then they would construct of deep water port on the Canadian west coast so that they could export to China .... so if you want to help China get most of the Canadian shale oil .... yes ... lets build the pipeline ... it not going to help you or I ...
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I would argue just the opposite, the left often wonders why people more and more are calling their policies fascists... in defining the term there are generally two strong points that are made about fascism, one being political and the strong push for national identity and the villainization of a minority or a subgroup of the society to rally the people behind, but the other key point in the definition of the term is governmental control of the productive resources of the economy... and it is this part of the definition that people associate with the progressive movement.

Why is it that it was the state department that had the final say so in the pipeline? The answer is is that it had met and passed all other permitting requirements and studies... So when it became political, the state department stepped in at the 11th hour and shut it down... Now you bring up the fact that that oil is already serving the locations in the upper Midwest and because of the limited distribution of that oil currently available that it that those markets are currently enjoying a price structure that otherwise would not be maintained... Well how does this relate to free markets and what we think is fair? It is the governments job to limit a companies abilities so that it is forced to sell its product below world market prices????? No, that is not the function of government and I would guess that if you owned a business and the government forced you into such a situation that you would find it to be unfair. More over the action limits other companies and refineries in Texas, and also limits the amount of oil coming in from those Canadian fields.

Oil is fungible, and you are correct that most of the oil flowing through that pipeline would be available to the world markets as well as our own... that is how the free market works, but at the same time it would be providing jobs, incomes, and profits to American companies and workers... Is it fair for the Midwest to expect the federal government to try and limit private business activity to subsidize the price that they pay for oil? Personally I do not feel that it is. Now we are faced with losing that oil as China now sees the intransigence of our federal government and our unwillingness to be a cooperative partner with our neighbors to the north and China is becoming more aggressive in its partnering with Canada not only in attempts to run the pipeline to the Pacific instead of Texas, in which case the Midwest really loses out, but also in purchasing companies with leases in both Canada and the Gulf of Mexico meaning even less oil being refined here for domestic use... We are losing because of the president's decision, and I know that the left seems to hate oil and oil companies, but I am sure that you still fill your cars and heat your homes... Many of the businesses in your state rely on these fuels to provide the energy that they use in their businesses.... yet here in this country we somehow think that it is acceptable to purchase our resources from overseas, $500 to $700 billion each year, and not have it effect our economy... Much of that money could be kept here in the states if we would allow our own resources to be developed... as it is we are only setting ourselves up for disaster as we know that there will again be trouble in the middle east and we also know that Venezuela will become involved and side with our enemies using their oil as a weapon...

Needless to say, I have a different take on the pipeline than you do.
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What don't you underdstand .... the oil is for export .... they would stop supplying oil to the U.S. through the 7 pipelines that provide oil to the Mid western farmers .... higher prices for food for you and me .... you can't be that (I will use one of your expressions) ... dumb ...
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I'm sorry did I ever call you dumb?? I don't recall having done that.

Who does the oil belong to??? And now that we may loose it to China how will that help the midwest... The problem is is that you somehow think that oil belongs to the people of the Midwest or to the Government of the United States... but in both cases you are wrong....
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No ... the oil belongs to TransCan .... and they want to build that pipeline through the United States so it can be sold to China ... please stop the free market bullshit .... you have been listening to Larry Kudlow .... there is a fellow who made more sense when he sniffed cocaine ... I get tired of hearing about the Laffler Curve ..... if we truly had free market you would be driving a Ford Pinto and your grandchildren would be brain damaged from lead paint ... we have what is called an interventionist economy ... that is why you can enjoy retirement and not have to flip burgers at McDonalds ...

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Aug 3, 2012 19:15:57   #
DEBJENROB Loc: DELRAY BEACH FL
 
I guess, if the current polls hold ...Obama favored .... we will solve the unemployment problem by Jan 2013 ..... because most of you will be moving to Canada .... if they want you .... maybe Mexico ...

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Aug 3, 2012 19:21:05   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Like his Birth certificate? what records are you talking about? He released 12 yrs of taxes.! You need to look up what SEALED IS!
baloia58 wrote:
Why doesn't someone ask Obama to release all of his papers that he has sealed? He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes. We don't even know who he is. Lay off of Romney at least he is honest about who he is. Thats a lot more than we can say about Obama.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:28:03   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Honest Romney wont release tax records!hmmm step out of the bubble and ask yourself why! Please dont Quote Rush think for yourself, its not that hard once you bust the bubble. Why would an Honest man be afraid to show his records? just saying that does not make sense in the real world. Go ahead switch back to Obama cause you cant answer that huh?
baloia58 wrote:
Why doesn't someone ask Obama to release all of his papers that he has sealed? He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes. We don't even know who he is. Lay off of Romney at least he is honest about who he is. Thats a lot more than we can say about Obama.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:30:42   #
Reddog Loc: Southern Calif
 
Please Fact check "Obama sealed records" you wont like the answer.
baloia58 wrote:
Why doesn't someone ask Obama to release all of his papers that he has sealed? He has pulled the wool over a lot of eyes. We don't even know who he is. Lay off of Romney at least he is honest about who he is. Thats a lot more than we can say about Obama.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:37:39   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
FLandWVMIKE wrote:
ole sarg wrote:
Blurreyed no one is going to back off on this until he releases the returns. The GOP old guard such as Will, Crystal, Newt, etc. wants it and so do the Dems. Romney is not the most popular guy within the party.

I don't think there will be a debate on anything until he releases the returns.

Your thoughts


Let's demand that BO release his college records, the ones that say he took funds for being a foriegn student.
I do suppose that new college records are being made at the present time, though.
quote=ole sarg Blurreyed no one is going to back ... (show quote)


New college records? Nope!
But old internet canards like this one are still being circulated by those ignorant of fact.
And let's leave it up to you to prove or disprove through your own diligence.

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Aug 3, 2012 19:38:34   #
baloia58 Loc: Surprise, AZ
 
Frank T wrote:
Okay, you right wing nut jobs are right. Not only is Obama an illegal alien muslim radical socialist, but he's actually from another planet. That's right he came from the planet Kolab where Mitts God, Elohim lives and that's why Mitt is so afraid of him.
I can only deduce one thing about people that actually believe this nonsense about Obama. They are either brain washed or are just idiots.


Now I know why your location is in hiding.

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