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Jun 23, 2018 17:17:04   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
It was also because they were selling forged copies of art. I know this as my late Father-In-Law bought an "authenticated" Picasso (2) and Dali (1) from the Gallery's branch in Beverly Hills, Ca. I still have both of them complete with the bogus "authentication papers" taped to the backing.


That was a whole other thing. New Yorkers were smart enough to buy the real thing, just not smart enough to get away with tax fraud.


I think the Fed's were involved in both situations.

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Jun 23, 2018 18:12:41   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Warrior, jurisprudence and politics aside, I wonder how the State of Nebraska hopes to collect the money from me, the seller, in Kentucky. It is always the seller that must collect sales taxes and give them over to the state. Buyers, even in Nebraska, have no tax number there (and neither do I). Nebraska cannot search my sales records without a warrant that is valid here in KY, right? And they need probable cause for that.

I have not read the actual court decision, but I doubt they said that if I sell by mail or Internet I must get a tax number in all 50 states. (In the past, some states got around this by making me collect sales taxes for them on all sales--or pay the sales tax to another state if I had stores in that state. In other words, I already had a tax number there.) If I have no stores there, I have no tax number there.

Their decision raises new questions, even if we agree that sales tax should be paid. If I drive across the state line and buy something to be delivered in my home state, there is not only a question of who gets the sales tax, but what the correct tax rate would be. I often buy groceries in TN, where the food sales tax is almost 10%, but live in KY, where the food tax is zero. If I buy a box of candies in KY, to be sent to TN, why should that not be taxed at the KY rate (zero)? Mail or Internet should not change the tax from what it would be in the store, should it?
Warrior, jurisprudence and politics aside, I wonde... (show quote)


You've got a zip code, don't you? I'd imagine that in this day of computerized technology it will be a snap to match zip codes and tax rates.

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Jun 23, 2018 18:29:16   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
SteveR wrote:
You've got a zip code, don't you? I'd imagine that in this day of computerized technology it will be a snap to match zip codes and tax rates.


You might imagine that, but it requires up to date information, and sometimes areas change the rates part way through a year. There isn't always an easy to use up to database available, especially not for free, nor one that updates the information that changes on a specific date. I'm sure that someone could put that together, but it probably wouldn't be free, which adds cost to the business, especially if one has to use a 'Tax as a Service' application.

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Jun 23, 2018 18:39:25   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Peterff wrote:
You might imagine that, but it requires up to date information, and sometimes areas change the rates part way through a year. There isn't always an easy to use up to database available, especially not for free, nor one that updates the information that changes on a specific date. I'm sure that someone could put that together, but it probably wouldn't be free, which adds cost to the business, especially if one has to use a 'Tax as a Service' application.


Amazon is already collecting tax in 40+ states. If they can do it so can anyone else.

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Jun 23, 2018 19:00:02   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Bill_de wrote:
Amazon is already collecting tax in 40+ states. If they can do it so can anyone else.

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A large company can, but it's very different for a small home business. We don't make anywhere near as much Jeff Bezos. At the moment the business is slow, so too much complexity could make it untenable. It really does depend on the implementation details. If it is simply anything we sell from our location, at local state, county and city tax rates, so we just add the tax to internet sales, then it's easy. Just a change to the record database and pivot tables. If it depended upon the location of the buyer then we probably would stop selling to certain locations and definitely put the prices up, by at least 10 percent. On the other hand antique jewelry doesn't have a shelf life, you just wait until the market recovers, and storage costs are low, since the items are small.

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Jun 23, 2018 19:46:12   #
erinjay64
 
On February 16 1935 the Democratic Governor of North Dakota was ousted, having been declared ineligible. The Republican Lt. Governor Walter Welford took over as Governor. The state Senate was composed of 42 Republicans and 7 Democrats. The state House of Representatives had 83 Republicans and 30 Democrats.. The GOP ruled all of ND from 2-16-35. On 7-15-35 the GOP gave ND it's first sales tax, at a rate of 2%. It has since grown to 5% generally, and as much as 8.5% on some items in some parts of the state. So much for the tax cutting GOP. The sales tax transferred taxes from the rich to the poor. The rich pay less on income, capital gains, oil production, etc. The poorer pay more for everything they buy. Thank the nice GOP.

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Jun 23, 2018 20:58:50   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
No it doesn't. It means that the state, county and city in which you live collects the tax. But first, the vendor must collect the tax from the POS (point of sale) and then forward the money to the state, county and city in which that person lives. There are literally thousands of different tax rates for different states and cities. I live in Orange County CA and the tax is 7.75% in LA, one county over it's 9.5%. But that's just an estimate. It depends on each city too. Take a look at the rate website below. Imagine being a lonely ecommerce company that sells product over the internet and the nightmare you'll encounter by trying to figure out what city and state or county gets what for the widget you just sold for a dollar three ninety eight.

https://www.avalara.com/taxrates/en/download-tax-tables.html?gclid=Cj0KCQjw37fZBRD3ARIsAJihSr3Xw2v1BCFEAFjTySlwvYrd7OLQJSF219jEQkLRmX5xUxi5hrv4LAEaAgFQEALw_wcB&CampaignID=7010b000001DgsXAAS&st-t=all_visitors&lso=Paid%20Digital&lsmr=Paid%20Digital&s_kwcid=AL!5131!3!228169930994!b!!g!!%2Bstate%20%2Bsales%20%2Btaxes&ef_id=WK6qeQAABWnSHtyB:20180623161025:s
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I would then buy items from Ebay foreign sellers

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Jun 23, 2018 21:05:41   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tenny52 wrote:
I would then buy items from Ebay foreign sellers


That isn't an entirely risk free exercise, although it can work out very well, but be careful how you do it.

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Jun 23, 2018 21:21:40   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
Peterff wrote:
That isn't an entirely risk free exercise, although it can work out very well, but be careful how you do it.

Most camera accessories (and more than 50% of the consumer merchandise) are made in China, they would be much cheaper if trade war is ON when We don't have to pay for the extra tariff and sale taxes.
Then the US may require foreign mail buyers to pay custom duties at the post offices.

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Jun 23, 2018 21:24:58   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
tenny52 wrote:
Most camera accessories (and more than 50% of the consumer merchandise) are made in China, they would be much cheaper if trade war is ON when We don't have to pay for the extra tariff and sale taxes.
Then the US may require foreign mail buyers to pay custom duties at the post offices.


Cheaper if there weren't tariffs? Tariffs are a major part of the current administration's trade war.

I don't understand....

Andy

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Jun 23, 2018 21:28:41   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
AndyH wrote:
Cheaper if there weren't tariffs? Tariffs are a major part of the current administration's trade war.

I don't understand....

Andy

Do the foreign mail sellers pay tariffs?

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Jun 23, 2018 21:30:21   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
tenny52 wrote:
Do the foreign mail sellers pay tariffs?


If the US government enforces the law (as currently written), then yes, they do.

That's kind of the point of tariffs, isn't it?

Andy

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Jun 23, 2018 21:36:19   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
tenny52 wrote:
Most camera accessories (and more than 50% of the consumer merchandise) are made in China, they would be much cheaper if trade war is ON when We don't have to pay for the extra tariff and sale taxes.
Then the US may require foreign mail buyers to pay custom duties at the post offices.


I'm not sure that I understand your logic or math there. Perhaps you could explain in simple terms?

Tariffs, customs duties etc. are part of international trade. They can be 'avoided', but it really isn't wise to do so as a legitimate business, and insurance value needs to taken into consideration, when shipping anything of value.

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Jun 23, 2018 21:38:53   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Seems to me that conservatives and liberals agree that the sales tax is both regressive and anti-business.

I wonder why it's so prevalent? Really...

Andy

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Jun 23, 2018 21:46:14   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
Peterff wrote:
I'm not sure that I understand your logic or math there. Perhaps you could explain in simple terms?

Tariffs, customs duties etc. are part of international trade. They can be 'avoided', but it really isn't wise to do so as a legitimate business, and insurance value needs to taken into consideration, when shipping anything of value.

Do you ever buy from Ebay sellers/exporters? If so, did you ever have to pay custom duties and sale tax?
It can't be any simpler. The law may change.

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