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Jun 23, 2018 13:35:16   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Diocletian wrote:
Depends on how state sales tax laws are written. Sometimes it depends on where the item is delivered. I had a client in Los Angeles who paid sales taxes to a number of cities and counties based on where the product was delivered. The order was taken in LA the item was shipped out of LA but delivered to San Francisco....so the city of SF wanted sales taxes, the county wanted sales taxes....and on top of that BART wanted some too!

I'm pretty sure each state is going to be different. So if anybody is truly concerned they should read through the state sales tax laws in their own state.

This is, as I'm sure you've realized, primarily directed at Amazon. So I don't think the guy selling an occasional camera lens to a buddy is going to be affected...at least not in the short term.

Long term, when our tvs are monitoring us in our homes (for our own protection, of course) it might change.
Depends on how state sales tax laws are written. ... (show quote)


Yep, it gets rather complicated. Where the order was processed may not be the prime criterion. Preparing and processing the tax information is a significant burdon, for both vendor and state. So far, it has been the physical presence location, so a warehouse is suffiecient. That appears to be changing, and we do not yet know how!

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Jun 23, 2018 13:36:23   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
It amazes me that folks will sqwalk about 4% or 5% sales tax for their state, but cheer for 20% -25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. Trump's 'core' have been duped into believing that he is 'strong' for punishing the Chinese and Europeans. He is punishing us - we are the ones who will pay the tariiffs - not the foreigners. Domestic suppliers will raise their prices to just below the tariffed imports and keep the profits. They are not going to invest in new plant and jobs on what will probably be a short lived price hike. Steel and aluminum price rises will filter down through every aspect of consumer goods fueling inflation. In the meantime, the foreigners will increase their barriers, killing jobs here.
MAGA HAHA

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Jun 23, 2018 13:40:22   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
repleo wrote:
It amazes me that folks will sqwalk about 4% or 5% sales tax for their state, but cheer for 20% -25% tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. Trump's 'core' seems to believe that he is punishing the Chinese and Europeans. He is punishing us - we are the ones who will pay the tariiffs - not the foreigners. Domestic suppliers will raise their prices to just below the tariffed imports and keep the profits. They are not going to invest in new plant and jobs on what will probably be a short lived price hike. Steel and aluminum price rises will filter down through every aspect of consumer goods fueling inflation. In the meantime, the foreigners will increase their barriers, killing jobs here.
MAGA HAHA
It amazes me that folks will sqwalk about 4% or 5%... (show quote)


Good points, but let's not get too political and get this discussion sent to the attic.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:01:29   #
erinjay64
 
SCOTUS is mostly GOP appointed, so we have lifelong Republicans on the bench. Remember this sort of tax disappointment when you vote for Congress, and President, from now on, and try voting Democrat more. Many of the SCOTUS Justices are getting old enough to die, or retire, soon, and more Democrats may mean replacement justices who will lower taxes by ruling against such things. Republicans TALK a good fight about lowering taxes...but when it comes time to act, they ONLY lower taxes on the Uber Rich...which RAISES taxes on everyone else. Oppressive sales taxes are one of the GOP's favorite means of tricking average people into paying higher taxes. Whenever Income Taxes, Capital Gains Taxes, Inheritance Taxes, etc, are cut on the rich, the Income Taxes, Sales Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc, that everyone else pays go UP. Study some History, and learn something. Then start voting Defensively.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:10:31   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
erinjay64 wrote:
SCOTUS is mostly GOP appointed, so we have lifelong Republicans on the bench. Remember this sort of tax disappointment when you vote for Congress, and President, from now on, and try voting Democrat more. Many of the SCOTUS Justices are getting old enough to die, or retire, soon, and more Democrats may mean replacement justices who will lower taxes by ruling against such things. Republicans TALK a good fight about lowering taxes...but when it comes time to act, they ONLY lower taxes on the Uber Rich...which RAISES taxes on everyone else. Oppressive sales taxes are one of the GOP's favorite means of tricking average people into paying higher taxes. Whenever Income Taxes, Capital Gains Taxes, Inheritance Taxes, etc, are cut on the rich, the Income Taxes, Sales Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc, that everyone else pays go UP. Study some History, and learn something. Then start voting Defensively.
SCOTUS is mostly GOP appointed, so we have lifelon... (show quote)


Who governs the states with the highest sales tax?

https://www.google.com/search?ei=RpouW9SaFoffzwLRyKvgBQ&q=states+with+highest+sales+tax+governed+by+which+party&oq=states+with+highest+sales+tax+governed+by+which+party&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.3...1692.11740..12735...0....895.4861.0j6j3j3j0j2j1......0....1.........41j0i71j33i160j33i21j33i22i29i30.2mHC1GYcDsQ%3D#imgrc=xesJHCIZSqClTM:

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Jun 23, 2018 15:16:37   #
Diocletian
 
Peterff wrote:
Yep, it gets rather complicated. Where the order was processed may not be the prime criterion. Preparing and processing the tax information is a significant burdon, for both vendor and state. So far, it has been the physical presence location, so a warehouse is suffiecient. That appears to be changing, and we do not yet know how!


I'm not sure I agree anymore that processing the tax information is a significant burden. Computers take care of most of it - including spitting out the multiple tax returns...or even filing online. I'm not saying there is NO burden. But with the advent of computers the tasks are significantly easier. And you're right, we don't yet know how the landscape will change!

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Jun 23, 2018 15:20:04   #
Diocletian
 
erinjay64 wrote:
SCOTUS is mostly GOP appointed, so we have lifelong Republicans on the bench. Remember this sort of tax disappointment when you vote for Congress, and President, from now on, and try voting Democrat more. Many of the SCOTUS Justices are getting old enough to die, or retire, soon, and more Democrats may mean replacement justices who will lower taxes by ruling against such things. Republicans TALK a good fight about lowering taxes...but when it comes time to act, they ONLY lower taxes on the Uber Rich...which RAISES taxes on everyone else. Oppressive sales taxes are one of the GOP's favorite means of tricking average people into paying higher taxes. Whenever Income Taxes, Capital Gains Taxes, Inheritance Taxes, etc, are cut on the rich, the Income Taxes, Sales Taxes, Gas Taxes, etc, that everyone else pays go UP. Study some History, and learn something. Then start voting Defensively.
SCOTUS is mostly GOP appointed, so we have lifelon... (show quote)


Gasp! Shouldn't I be voting for THEIR best interests? Instead of MY best interest? After all, soon, very soon, I'll be rich TOO!!!!

Bwahahaha

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Jun 23, 2018 15:41:19   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Diocletian wrote:
I'm not sure I agree anymore that processing the tax information is a significant burden. Computers take care of most of it - including spitting out the multiple tax returns...or even filing online. I'm not saying there is NO burden. But with the advent of computers the tasks are significantly easier. And you're right, we don't yet know how the landscape will change!


Even with computers, the information needs to be logged and processed. It is work, it takes times, is an overhead, and it costs money. Have you ever had to do that?

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Jun 23, 2018 15:51:12   #
Diocletian
 
Peterff wrote:
Even with computers, the information needs to be logged and processed. It is work, it takes times, is an overhead, and it costs money. Have you ever had to do that?


Ah, never ask a question to which you do not know the answer.

Yes, I have had to input crap to keep the computer system up to date for sales tax purposes. Yes I've had to file the tax returns themselves (a single return reports to the state the total amount due and an allocation as to what entities are owed how much...)

Then I figured out a way to IMPORT the changes into the computer system (every 6 months or so when they are updated)

Companies have had to do this for many many many years. Why would this new sales tax law cause any additional problems? Even Quickbooks can keep track of sales taxes. I'm not sure if at this point they can actually file the returns for you, but if not now, then very shortly, AND I believe there are 3rd party products that can do it for you.

The fact that the internet companies will now have to keep track and pay sales taxes really is a non-issue.

Aside from that - WHAT? I'm agreeing with most of what you said, just taking issue with it being a huge burden for businesses, based on my own experience.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:52:29   #
erinjay64
 
Every sales tax state I have been in, the sales tax has been imposed / raised by GOP governments. Oregon has only had sales taxes proposed when Repubs ran things. The sales taxes have not yet passed, and are not proposed by Dems. The sales taxes also tend to start with essentials-food, medicine, etc-exempted...but such things get sales taxes in the long run. So, poor folks pay higher prices for what they need-food.medicine, TP, etc-while the rich pay less on everything they get. The rich get exemptions from sales taxes by buying in bulk, or buying in non sales tax states /nations, and shipping things in. Even when they pay sales tax / import duty on a truck / ship / plane load of items , the rich write it off as a business expense, and so get what amounts to a tax refund. Sales taxes are regressive, in that those who can least afford to pay them pay the most, while those who can easily afford them pay the least. Income taxes are progressive, in that the rich pay more than the poor / middle....at least before all of the loophole exemptions, credits, refunds, etc. Oregon is usually more Liberal, and Democrat...we have an openly bi-sexual woman as Governor. We have no sales tax yet. North Dakota is GOP run, and has a sales tax as high as 8.5% in some parts of the state.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:56:41   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Diocletian wrote:
Ah, never ask a question to which you do not know the answer.

Yes, I have had to input crap to keep the computer system up to date for sales tax purposes.

Then I figured out a way to IMPORT it.

Companies have had to do this for many many many years. Why would this new sales tax law cause any additional problems? Even Quickbooks can keep track of sales taxes. I'm not sure if at this point they can actually file the returns for you, but if not now, then very shortly, AND I believe there are 3rd party products that can do it for you.

The fact that the internet companies will now have to keep track and pay sales taxes really is a non-issue.
Ah, never ask a question to which you do not know ... (show quote)

I do know the answer, and your response demonstrates it, Sir. Depending upon the details of the implementation, it will make a difference, especially to small businesses.

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Jun 23, 2018 15:59:27   #
Diocletian
 
Peterff wrote:
I do know the answer, and your response demonstrates it, Sir. Depending upon the details of the implementation, it will make a difference, especially to small businesses.


?????

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Jun 23, 2018 16:20:25   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
Diocletian wrote:
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Are you having a comprehension issue?

Any change of this type will make a difference. To both purchasers and to vendors. It depends upon the implementation, and a number of other factors, but what the purchaser pays will increase, and the amount of administration required will likely increase also, both of which have a cost.

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Jun 23, 2018 16:37:17   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Bill_de wrote:
A whole bunch of people went to jail. --


It was also because they were selling forged copies of art. I know this as my late Father-In-Law bought an "authenticated" Picasso (2) and Dali (1) from the Gallery's branch in Beverly Hills, Ca. I still have both of them complete with the bogus "authentication papers" taped to the backing.

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Jun 23, 2018 17:08:36   #
d3200prime
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
d3200prime, does the decision let Kentucky tax an online (or mail order) business in Oregon? How can they collect it? How could they even know about it without probable cause to search? And does Kentucky have any lawful jurisdiction there?


I don't know about those states. I live in Alabama and each state has its own way of dealing with this subject. For most small online businesses, it is the long-established physical presence rule that will apply in Kentucky. However, because Internet sales tax is a subject of ongoing debate, you should consider checking in periodically with the Kentucky Department of Revenue to see if the rules have changed. There is but one fact which is etched in stone. Change is coming.

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