Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
Page <<first <prev 6 of 16 next> last>>
Jul 28, 2012 21:31:13   #
davejann Loc: Portland Oregon
 
willoughby wrote:
Switzerland DOES NOT issue every adult with a gun and teach them how to use it. Rifles are issued to army conscripts who go through 3 years of basic training and are then discharged with their guns. This is because Switzerland does not have a standing army and if they are invaded, they can call on the trained personnel to break out the rifles and defend the country. Gun laws are very strict and if a gun is used improperly for any reason, the perpetrator is harshly dealt with. It seems every gun nut has a new story every week supporting idiots running around with assault rifles.
Switzerland DOES NOT issue every adult with a gun ... (show quote)


The Swiss have one other more powerful defense. Since the most likely attackers would be there neighbors and since the wealthy and powerful in those countries use numbered Swiss accounts to hide their money, the Swiss have a law that will cause all those accounts from the attacking country to be confiscated and the records destroyed. They don't really even need thei militia.

Dave

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 21:36:49   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
the example of Mexico is specious at best.

No one in Mexico enforces any law. What a stupid argument! That is like saying East Germany was a democratic republic because it named itself that.

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 21:38:11   #
jolly1
 
dtcracer wrote:
thegrover wrote:
If we look around us we see that other countries have some control of their guns. In 2004, handguns murdered:

5 people in New Zealand

37 people in Sweden

56 people in Australia

184 people in Canada

19 people in Japan

73 people in the UK

11,344 people in the United States

Even adjusting for population, these numbers are horrifying. Japan has almost half as many people as the United States. So how can these numbers be so dreadfully lopsided? Last I heard, Japan was considered civilized, modern and “open” compared to, say, Cuba. So why are those numbers so wildly out of proportion? Gun control. Pretty simple.

Among 26 of the industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States. As of 2008 the city of Philadelphia alone had in storage 65,000 (yes, thousand) confiscated semi-automatic or fully automatic weapons. Every year one-half million violent crimes are committed with firearms in the USA. On average, each hour of every day, one person is murdered with a gun. There are an estimated 250 million guns in the USA. One in four Americans owns a gun. In 2004, semi-automatic assault weapons were again legal after a 10-year ban. Over 20 states have “Castle Laws” wherein you can shoot to kill any armed or unarmed person who poses a threat to your property, not just your life.
If we look around us we see that other countries h... (show quote)


Now figure in the amount of homicides by other means, other than firearms. I am sure you will find that in these other countries they have found other ways to kill people, since it is not the gun that kills, but the person. I know that there are definitely more deaths through bombings in the UK, since you are always hearing on the news about places being fire bombed.
quote=thegrover If we look around us we see that ... (show quote)


American automobile drivers kill more people than any where else in the world too. Two to three times as many are killed in the U.S. by autos as by guns, so what do you want to do, ban automobiles too. Sure, good thinking.

Reply
 
 
Jul 28, 2012 21:40:51   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
To me this conversation is over. Those who say someone wants to ban guns have no basis in truth and are delusional. It is hard to argue with a crazy person.

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 21:43:24   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Although it is hard to argue with a crazy person, please continue to buy guns and ammo. I have stock in many of these companies and I like the dividends.

Buy early and often!

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 22:52:35   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
KG wrote:
While I'm pro guns, I can't understand why do the people advocating for less gun control conveniently omit the word "conscription" when talking about guns and Switzerland?

Oh wait, I know why. It sounds cooler when one talks about how the Swiss government simply gives guns and offers training to anyone who asks for it. They don't give you the choice. They require all males to serve in the "militia". And after the training, you go home and take your gun with you to store at home in case of an invasion by a foreign state.

And the rounds issued by the government aren't to be used for any other purpose. They are inspected. (I think they changed the rules, so not sure about the procedure now.) But that ammunition is/was to be kept in a sealed container. Not actually loaded in a rifle.

While I think their system is brilliant (for a small country at least), I don't like the idea of anyone being forced by the government to do anything.

Oh, and they also don't issue carry permits on "shall issue" basis. So if you ever want to carry a gun with you, you would need to prove to the government that it's absolutely required -- and your safety as a private citizen is not a good enough reason.

You need to either be carrying a lot of cash or other valuables as part of your occupation, or you need to be a famous figure with stalkers harassing/threatening you. Otherwise, no permit. It's not much different from the NYC gun laws (practices), which are total crap.
While I'm pro guns, I can't understand why do the ... (show quote)


Interesting.I did not know that.

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 22:54:14   #
ccmc1448
 
I didn't know the NAVY had a rank of Sarg

Reply
 
 
Jul 28, 2012 23:21:00   #
Ronny Loc: Netherlands
 
What do you prefer.
No guns at all in the whole world and live in peace or everybody has a gun and you do not know what happen next.

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 23:25:49   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
oldmalky wrote:
All the examples given are governments or dictators ordering their own peoples deaths and owning guns would not have saved them,as for the japanese not invading because some of you had guns get real,and dont tell that crap to the American troops who fought against them as i believe they will tell you how afraid of a few home guns the japanese were.


"Governments do not become tyrannies through sudden usurpations but by gradual encroachment" James Madison

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 23:27:56   #
PalePictures Loc: Traveling
 
Ronny wrote:
What do you prefer.
No guns at all in the whole world and live in peace or everybody has a gun and you do not know what happen next.


"you do not know what happen next"
I prefer roller coaster to Merry-go-rounds.

"No guns at all in the whole world and live in peace "
On a planet far far away.

I'd rather be shot than gutted.

Reply
Jul 28, 2012 23:34:49   #
DennisK Loc: Pickle City,Illinois
 
PalePictures wrote:
Ronny wrote:
What do you prefer.
No guns at all in the whole world and live in peace or everybody has a gun and you do not know what happen next.


"you do not know what happen next"
I prefer roller coaster to Merry-go-rounds.

"No guns at all in the whole world and live in peace "
On a planet far far away.

I'd rather be shot than gutted.


:thumbup: :thumbup:

Reply
 
 
Jul 28, 2012 23:41:13   #
krgatlgm Loc: Las Vegas, Nv
 
ccmc1448 wrote:
I didn't know the NAVY had a rank of Sarg


They don't. He said he was in the U.S.Army

Reply
Jul 29, 2012 00:17:40   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
star2344 wrote:
Hunter - I knew someone here was a Democrat


Solid Democrat and always have been. I've lived to retire too. I'm voting this fall too and doing all I can to get Dem's elected. I even send letters to the editors. do you want to know anymore. Oh yes, I own three guns. I hunt water fowl and am a avid deer hunter since age 15. I have yet to need more than 3 shots to take a deer. When hunting water fowl the DNR imposes a 3-shot plug for my shot-gun. I don't need more than that either. You guy's who advocate they are going to take our guns are just catering to the NRA and the Gun lobbist and gun manufacturers. They are laughing all the way to the bank with our money. When will we ever wake up people. Can you just imagin if some politician would say they are going to take our guns. Hell, we'd have a total revolutionary war right here in the U.S. We need for representatives who have common sense. I believe in the right to bear arms but it doesn't mean we have the right to slaughter thy neighbor. The Pres. has said over and over again he believes the right to bear arms is our right. We certainly don't need an assult rifle to hunt deer or a hand gun to kill people. We certainly don't need a clip to shot more than 5 rounds no matter what. Unless you are out to have a sho out with the cops and then you can kiss your behind good bye as far as I'm concerned. You deserve it.
quote=star2344 Hunter - I knew someone here was a... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Reply
Jul 29, 2012 00:29:15   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
frenchcoast wrote:
jjwright71 wrote:
I volenteered by joining the U S Navy! I am damn proud of it. yes the rich folks skipped to canada ,but as i said i proudly served ,I still sing the starspangled banner at functions. I still salute the flag ,and I believe in "Ol U S A ".This is more than i can say for the present administration.


WTG JJ, that makes 2 of us !!!!!!, I left Nam in 64 after spending 4 years there. Was ordered NOT to arrive stateside IN uniform, we stopped in Hawaii so that the 58 of us on the plane could go to the base exchange to purchase civies and then flew on to San Francisco.

Can't agree with you about your reference to the present administration, President Obama has done a hell of a lot for the veterans.
quote=jjwright71 I volenteered by joining the U S... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Obama has done a lot for the VA. I am there every week.

Reply
Jul 29, 2012 00:30:58   #
krgatlgm Loc: Las Vegas, Nv
 
thegrover wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
jjwright71 wrote:
I volenteered by joining the U S Navy! I am damn proud of it. yes the rich folks skipped to canada ,but as i said i proudly served ,I still sing the starspangled banner at functions. I still salute the flag ,and I believe in "Ol U S A ".This is more than i can say for the present administration.


WTG JJ, that makes 2 of us !!!!!!, I left Nam in 64 after spending 4 years there. Was ordered NOT to arrive stateside IN uniform, we stopped in Hawaii so that the 58 of us on the plane could go to the base exchange to purchase civies and then flew on to San Francisco.

Can't agree with you about your reference to the present administration, President Obama has done a hell of a lot for the veterans.
quote=jjwright71 I volenteered by joining the U S... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
Obama has done a lot for the VA. I am there every week.
quote=frenchcoast quote=jjwright71 I volenteered... (show quote)


Good for you and other Veterans.. Also good to know..Thank you for your service, it is appreciated.

Reply
Page <<first <prev 6 of 16 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.