A LITTLE GUN HISTORY
Jul 28, 2012 17:01:23 #
Hunter Lou 1947
Loc: Minnesota
ole sarg wrote:
Hunterlou:
Any one who served on the DMZ deserves a medal. Man was it cold. Was there for about 2 weeks in Feb. Horrible. Don't remember where but was it cold. As my Sgt said it was colder than a well digger's a$$!
Any one who served on the DMZ deserves a medal. Man was it cold. Was there for about 2 weeks in Feb. Horrible. Don't remember where but was it cold. As my Sgt said it was colder than a well digger's a$$!
Maybe colder than a lawyers handshake too. It really got cold when i was there up in the mountains and alot of snow. But it was not too bad in Seoul.
Jul 28, 2012 17:19:40 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
dtcracer:
took a little research but:
In 2010 there were some 468,000 murders around the world.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Not sure of the years covered but I am guessing 2010, and there were 100,693 murders by firearms. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
So 25% of murders were by firearm. I would guess this number is rather constant.
Every murder is a tragedy, but what I found shocking is that the vast majority of murders by firearm, some 70,000, occurred in just 4 countries. The top three being underdeveloped with the 4th being the US.
As I have said, I have nothing against everyone who can legally own a gun owning a gun. In fact they can own 100 guns if they want.
But, I can see no need for a semi automatic rifle with a 100 round clip. The semis are either .223 or 7.62 (like my mini Ruger) These guns can fire about 65 rounds per minute. Even the gang bangers have basically stopped using them. Too many got hurt.
Gary Kleck, in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York 1997), summarizes the findings of forty-seven such studies, indicating that less than 2% of crime guns were assault weapons (the median was about 1.8%). According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, (Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1993, May 1996) offenders were armed with a firearm in 10% of all violent crimes. That would mean less than .20% (one-fifth of one percent or 1 in 500) of violent crime offenders used an assault weapon (1.8% X 10% = .18%).
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
The CA police were under armed in the shootout only because the bad guys had on body armor. What the cops could have done is just let the bad guys get in their car and follow them around LA until they ran out of gas and had the SWAT team available to get them once that happened. That is now, I believe, SOP. One does not get in gun fights in populated areas unless they are cordoned off.
I know all the bragging talk of nothing is worse than running out of ammo, and I will get the bad guy, and all that stuff. Just get in one fire fight and watch how fast all that disappears. Believe me it ain't like the movies!
So tell me, why does one need a 100 round clip for his semi automatic rifle? The US Army issues 15 round clips because they found out that they don't jam as often as larger round clips.
So why are 100 round clips needed?
took a little research but:
In 2010 there were some 468,000 murders around the world.
see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Not sure of the years covered but I am guessing 2010, and there were 100,693 murders by firearms. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir-crime-murders-with-firearms
So 25% of murders were by firearm. I would guess this number is rather constant.
Every murder is a tragedy, but what I found shocking is that the vast majority of murders by firearm, some 70,000, occurred in just 4 countries. The top three being underdeveloped with the 4th being the US.
As I have said, I have nothing against everyone who can legally own a gun owning a gun. In fact they can own 100 guns if they want.
But, I can see no need for a semi automatic rifle with a 100 round clip. The semis are either .223 or 7.62 (like my mini Ruger) These guns can fire about 65 rounds per minute. Even the gang bangers have basically stopped using them. Too many got hurt.
Gary Kleck, in Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control (Walter de Gruyter, Inc., New York 1997), summarizes the findings of forty-seven such studies, indicating that less than 2% of crime guns were assault weapons (the median was about 1.8%). According to Bureau of Justice Statistics, (Criminal Victimization in the United States, 1993, May 1996) offenders were armed with a firearm in 10% of all violent crimes. That would mean less than .20% (one-fifth of one percent or 1 in 500) of violent crime offenders used an assault weapon (1.8% X 10% = .18%).
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcassaul.html
The CA police were under armed in the shootout only because the bad guys had on body armor. What the cops could have done is just let the bad guys get in their car and follow them around LA until they ran out of gas and had the SWAT team available to get them once that happened. That is now, I believe, SOP. One does not get in gun fights in populated areas unless they are cordoned off.
I know all the bragging talk of nothing is worse than running out of ammo, and I will get the bad guy, and all that stuff. Just get in one fire fight and watch how fast all that disappears. Believe me it ain't like the movies!
So tell me, why does one need a 100 round clip for his semi automatic rifle? The US Army issues 15 round clips because they found out that they don't jam as often as larger round clips.
So why are 100 round clips needed?
Jul 28, 2012 17:23:34 #
ole sarg
Loc: south florida
NRA, though it can't be proven is a front organization for the US arms industry. They deny it, but read the S&W site and others and they sure are saying the same thing.
Jul 28, 2012 17:35:07 #
Jul 28, 2012 17:35:45 #
The CA police were under armed in the shootout only because the bad guys had on body armor. What the cops could have done is just let the bad guys get in their car and follow them around LA until they ran out of gas and had the SWAT team available to get them once that happened. That is now, I believe, SOP. One does not get in gun fights in populated areas unless they are cordoned off.
I know all the bragging talk of nothing is worse than running out of ammo, and I will get the bad guy, and all that stuff. Just get in one fire fight and watch how fast all that disappears. Believe me it ain't like the movies!
So tell me, why does one need a 100 round clip for his semi automatic rifle? The US Army issues 15 round clips because they found out that they don't jam as often as larger round clips.
So why are 100 round clips needed?[/quote]
Wrong. LAPD was carrying their semi-auto handguns and a shotgun. The bank robbers were carrying semi-auto rifles. One officer finally got to a gun store to comandeer a rifle. The same situation happened in Norco, ca in 1980. The Deputies were carrying 6 shot revolvers and shotgun in the cars. Robbers were carrying semi-auto rifles.
I agree no one needs a 100 round magazine. but don't try to take mine away from me.
I know all the bragging talk of nothing is worse than running out of ammo, and I will get the bad guy, and all that stuff. Just get in one fire fight and watch how fast all that disappears. Believe me it ain't like the movies!
So tell me, why does one need a 100 round clip for his semi automatic rifle? The US Army issues 15 round clips because they found out that they don't jam as often as larger round clips.
So why are 100 round clips needed?[/quote]
Wrong. LAPD was carrying their semi-auto handguns and a shotgun. The bank robbers were carrying semi-auto rifles. One officer finally got to a gun store to comandeer a rifle. The same situation happened in Norco, ca in 1980. The Deputies were carrying 6 shot revolvers and shotgun in the cars. Robbers were carrying semi-auto rifles.
I agree no one needs a 100 round magazine. but don't try to take mine away from me.
Jul 28, 2012 17:54:25 #
Hunter Lou 1947
Loc: Minnesota
star2344 wrote:
Hunter - I knew someone here was a Democrat
Solid Democrat and always have been. I've lived to retire too. I'm voting this fall too and doing all I can to get Dem's elected. I even send letters to the editors. do you want to know anymore. Oh yes, I own three guns. I hunt water fowl and am a avid deer hunter since age 15. I have yet to need more than 3 shots to take a deer. When hunting water fowl the DNR imposes a 3-shot plug for my shot-gun. I don't need more than that either. You guy's who advocate they are going to take our guns are just catering to the NRA and the Gun lobbist and gun manufacturers. They are laughing all the way to the bank with our money. When will we ever wake up people. Can you just imagin if some politician would say they are going to take our guns. Hell, we'd have a total revolutionary war right here in the U.S. We need for representatives who have common sense. I believe in the right to bear arms but it doesn't mean we have the right to slaughter thy neighbor. The Pres. has said over and over again he believes the right to bear arms is our right. We certainly don't need an assult rifle to hunt deer or a hand gun to kill people. We certainly don't need a clip to shot more than 5 rounds no matter what. Unless you are out to have a sho out with the cops and then you can kiss your behind good bye as far as I'm concerned. You deserve it.
Jul 28, 2012 18:03:47 #
well, you have lost your own argument...anyone who knows anything at all about weapons or is reasonably competant at all with guns and is crazy enough can take perfectly legal small calibre pistols with enough clips of ammo into any public place and cause a giant massacre....it is the lunatics fault..not the guns..so go ahead & outlaw "big guns" or whatever you are afraid of and the crazies & the criminals will still be there..again I point to Mexico where gun control is damn near absolute...even if you get a permit the federales can come get your guns on a whim....and they do...and look at the murder rate per 100,000 people...
maybe you should turn in your "sporting arms" now to the cops..
would you really feel safe at home?????? I doubt it..
maybe you should turn in your "sporting arms" now to the cops..
would you really feel safe at home?????? I doubt it..
Jul 28, 2012 18:20:21 #
Hunter Lou 1947
Loc: Minnesota
wilpharm wrote:
well, you have lost your own argument...anyone who... (show quote)
Jul 28, 2012 18:54:56 #
Hunter - Chill out, man. All I said is someone here was a Democrat.
Jul 28, 2012 18:55:30 #
so far out 2nd ammendment rights are safe, UN treaty about small arms did not ratify becuase the senate would not vote for it. Thank you senators for protecting our US rights.
Jul 28, 2012 19:01:15 #
My wife her father got shot in the back and killed by the Japanese 3 weeks before she got born and my father got torched by the same japs and killed in world war two. Do not tell me that people can handle guns. I still hate japs for that. I still tell you the human race do not have enough brains to handle wapons and religion. This has nothing to do with politics. Just get rid of those 2 items and we can live in peace. If you want to believe in something, do it but do not bother another with it.
Jul 28, 2012 19:34:24 #
Huey Driver wrote:
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Outstanding article, Thank You
Jul 28, 2012 19:38:58 #
Huey Driver wrote:
If I had my way every male turning 18 and graduating from high school would automatically serve 2 years military service. It might not teach them what the want to do but it sure would help them decide what they don't want to do.
You think it might a bit of maturity to them driver?
Jul 28, 2012 19:43:52 #
jjwright71 wrote:
I volenteered by joining the U S Navy! I am damn proud of it. yes the rich folks skipped to canada ,but as i said i proudly served ,I still sing the starspangled banner at functions. I still salute the flag ,and I believe in "Ol U S A ".This is more than i can say for the present administration.
WTG JJ, that makes 2 of us !!!!!!, I left Nam in 64 after spending 4 years there. Was ordered NOT to arrive stateside IN uniform, we stopped in Hawaii so that the 58 of us on the plane could go to the base exchange to purchase civies and then flew on to San Francisco.
Can't agree with you about your reference to the present administration, President Obama has done a hell of a lot for the veterans.
Jul 28, 2012 19:45:11 #
alf85 wrote:
I dont see anything in the list for Britain, or see the figures for the number of Americans killed in your country by guns.
Britain has very tight gun law's, and the police never used to carry guns, it is just in the last few years that they have formed specail armed units, because Britain is becoming more and more Americanised.
Britain has very tight gun law's, and the police never used to carry guns, it is just in the last few years that they have formed specail armed units, because Britain is becoming more and more Americanised.
You say Americanized, perhaps they are coming to the understanding that one fights force with force.
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