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Jul 28, 2012 12:45:30   #
thegrover Loc: Yorba Linda, CA
 
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A LITTLE GUN HISTORY

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.. From 1929 to 1953, about
20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million
Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13
million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up
and exterminated.
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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million
political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated
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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000
Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million
educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.
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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million.
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It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new
law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own
Government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million
dollars. The first year results are now in:
List of 7 items:

Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent.

Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent.

Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)!

In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300
percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the
criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns!

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed
robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12
months, since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.

There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the
ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety
has decreased, after such monumental effort, and expense was expended in
successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience
and the other historical facts above prove it.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians
disseminating this information.

Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes,
gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens

Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!

The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of
this history lesson. With guns, we are 'citizens.' Without them, we are
'subjects'.

During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew
most Americans were ARMED!

If you value your freedom, please spread this anti-gun control message to
all of your friends.

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense.
The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is more important
than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental.

SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!

SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.

SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY
CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!!

IT'S A NO BRAINER!

DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS
IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.

I'm a firm believer of the 2nd Amendment!

If you are too,
please forward.

Just think how powerful our government is getting!

They think these other countries just didn't do it right.

Learn from history!
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Q: Did gun control in Australia lead to more murders there last year?

A: This ‘Gun History Lesson’ is recycled bunk from a decade ago. Murders in Australia actually are down to record lows.

FULL QUESTION

Is this true??

A little Gun History Lesson

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The e-mail says that "[i]t has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms." Actually, it’s been 13 years since Australian gun law was originally changed. In 1996, the government banned some types of guns, instituted a buyback program and imposed stricter licensing and registration requirements. Gun ownership rates in Australia declined from 7 percent to 5 percent. Another law in 2002 tightened restrictions a bit more, restricting caliber, barrel length and capacity for sport shooting handguns.

Have murders increased since the gun law change, as claimed? Actually, Australian crime statistics show a marked decrease in homicides since the gun law change. According to the Australian Institute of Criminology, a government agency, the number of homicides in Australia did increase slightly in 1997 and peaked in 1999, but has since declined to the lowest number on record in 2007, the most recent year for which official figures are availab[/quote]

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Jul 28, 2012 12:58:08   #
krgatlgm Loc: Las Vegas, Nv
 
Hey 'olSarge! Thank you for your service!!

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Jul 28, 2012 13:50:13   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership

As regards laws passed by the Nazis forbidding gun ownership by Germans:

OK, so the quote and cite are screwed up. What about the supposed law itself? Well, as described in the FAQ, 1935 "has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration." (Nor, for that matter, does 1936, the year you mention in your question.) Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his reasearch, he said, "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power." In other words, they didn't need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other "non-citizens."

Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

It should be noted that by 1938 the Nuremberg laws removing Jewish citizenship had been in effect since 1935.

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Jul 28, 2012 14:09:03   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
ole sarg wrote:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1791/did-hitler-ban-gun-ownership

As regards laws passed by the Nazis forbidding gun ownership by Germans:

OK, so the quote and cite are screwed up. What about the supposed law itself? Well, as described in the FAQ, 1935 "has no correlation with any legislative effort by the Nazis for gun registration." (Nor, for that matter, does 1936, the year you mention in your question.) Indeed, there was no need for the Nazis to pass a law like that, because the earlier Weimar government had already passed gun registration laws. When I asked Cramer about his reasearch, he said, "The laws adopted by the Weimar Republic intended to disarm Nazis and Communists were sufficiently discretionary that the Nazis managed to use them against their enemies once they were in power." In other words, they didn't need to pass additional laws. The Nazis did pass a weapons law in 1938, but that only added restrictions to the previous law, especially for Jews and other "non-citizens."

Hitler did "effect total gun control," but only for the Jews, and only after his regime had been in power for several years. For the rest of the population he relied on laws already in place.

It should be noted that by 1938 the Nuremberg laws removing Jewish citizenship had been in effect since 1935.
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Hey "Ol Sarge' I forgot to thank you for your service to this country. Not to change the subject. The reason I've enjoyed your comments is you are straight to the truth. I was assigned to Korea during the Viet Nam war in the Signal Corp. I was a site chief on a communications site near the DMZ about 12 miles away. When i first came to Korea and was put on a site in the moutains an old Sargent with a bald head and glasses was my commander at this site. He introduced me to photography. He showed me how to develope pictures and assisted me in my buying my first camera at the time at the PX store in the Army basecamp in Seoul. I had the camera stolen about four months later as i was made a site chief in a northern site. He had selected and approved me for the site chiefs job which I enjoyed until my coming back to the U.S. April 1969 and getting out of the Army in July 1969. Now that I'm retired I have found time to work on my photography. I wish I would have kept up my interest all along but family and job duties just did not allow. I really enjoy your comments and keep up the good work. I can tell your are an educated man and a man of many words.

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Jul 28, 2012 15:33:27   #
willoughby Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Switzerland DOES NOT issue every adult with a gun and teach them how to use it. Rifles are issued to army conscripts who go through 3 years of basic training and are then discharged with their guns. This is because Switzerland does not have a standing army and if they are invaded, they can call on the trained personnel to break out the rifles and defend the country. Gun laws are very strict and if a gun is used improperly for any reason, the perpetrator is harshly dealt with. It seems every gun nut has a new story every week supporting idiots running around with assault rifles.

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Jul 28, 2012 15:45:11   #
willoughby Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
Frank T wrote:
Wilpharm,
Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter was armed with a knife, a bat or a battle axe would he have been able to inure or kill seventy people before he was stopped? If you don't think it's about guns then you are simply in denial.
Let me say this as a responsible gun owner and sportsman. I don't need a 33 or 100 round magazine to hunt deer or shoot clay. I don't need a flash supressor to defend my home. I don't need a colapsable stock to take a rifle to the range. Why can't we introduce some reason into this debate? No one wants to take your guns away if your or sane and not a criminal but why do we need military weapons, other than the my guns bigger than your gun childishness that I see throughout this debate.
Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter w... (show quote)


Absolutely. You don't need a 20 pound hammer to kill a fly and you don't need an assault rifle to defend against a punk with a saturday night special.

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Jul 28, 2012 15:48:55   #
dtcracer
 
thegrover wrote:
If we look around us we see that other countries have some control of their guns. In 2004, handguns murdered:

5 people in New Zealand

37 people in Sweden

56 people in Australia

184 people in Canada

19 people in Japan

73 people in the UK

11,344 people in the United States

Even adjusting for population, these numbers are horrifying. Japan has almost half as many people as the United States. So how can these numbers be so dreadfully lopsided? Last I heard, Japan was considered civilized, modern and “open” compared to, say, Cuba. So why are those numbers so wildly out of proportion? Gun control. Pretty simple.

Among 26 of the industrialized nations, 86% of gun deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the United States. As of 2008 the city of Philadelphia alone had in storage 65,000 (yes, thousand) confiscated semi-automatic or fully automatic weapons. Every year one-half million violent crimes are committed with firearms in the USA. On average, each hour of every day, one person is murdered with a gun. There are an estimated 250 million guns in the USA. One in four Americans owns a gun. In 2004, semi-automatic assault weapons were again legal after a 10-year ban. Over 20 states have “Castle Laws” wherein you can shoot to kill any armed or unarmed person who poses a threat to your property, not just your life.
If we look around us we see that other countries h... (show quote)


Now figure in the amount of homicides by other means, other than firearms. I am sure you will find that in these other countries they have found other ways to kill people, since it is not the gun that kills, but the person. I know that there are definitely more deaths through bombings in the UK, since you are always hearing on the news about places being fire bombed.

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Jul 28, 2012 15:50:15   #
willoughby Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
KG wrote:
While I'm pro guns, I can't understand why do the people advocating for less gun control conveniently omit the word "conscription" when talking about guns and Switzerland?

Oh wait, I know why. It sounds cooler when one talks about how the Swiss government simply gives guns and offers training to anyone who asks for it. They don't give you the choice. They require all males to serve in the "militia". And after the training, you go home and take your gun with you to store at home in case of an invasion by a foreign state.

And the rounds issued by the government aren't to be used for any other purpose. They are inspected. (I think they changed the rules, so not sure about the procedure now.) But that ammunition is/was to be kept in a sealed container. Not actually loaded in a rifle.

While I think their system is brilliant (for a small country at least), I don't like the idea of anyone being forced by the government to do anything.

Oh, and they also don't issue carry permits on "shall issue" basis. So if you ever want to carry a gun with you, you would need to prove to the government that it's absolutely required -- and your safety as a private citizen is not a good enough reason.

You need to either be carrying a lot of cash or other valuables as part of your occupation, or you need to be a famous figure with stalkers harassing/threatening you. Otherwise, no permit. It's not much different from the NYC gun laws (practices), which are total crap.
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Jul 28, 2012 16:23:15   #
dtcracer
 
willoughby wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Wilpharm,
Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter was armed with a knife, a bat or a battle axe would he have been able to inure or kill seventy people before he was stopped? If you don't think it's about guns then you are simply in denial.
Let me say this as a responsible gun owner and sportsman. I don't need a 33 or 100 round magazine to hunt deer or shoot clay. I don't need a flash supressor to defend my home. I don't need a colapsable stock to take a rifle to the range. Why can't we introduce some reason into this debate? No one wants to take your guns away if your or sane and not a criminal but why do we need military weapons, other than the my guns bigger than your gun childishness that I see throughout this debate.
Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter w... (show quote)


Absolutely. You don't need a 20 pound hammer to kill a fly and you don't need an assault rifle to defend against a punk with a saturday night special.
quote=Frank T Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Col... (show quote)


No, but it wouuldn't hurt to have an assault rifle to defend against a punk with an assault rifle! I'm sure the saturday night special that control control advocates think is all a law abiding citizen should have (and that is stretching it) won't be much defense against the assault rifles the criminals will have. Remember the shootout in California with the bank robbers? They had assault rifles, during the active ban on them, and the cops did not. They had to go in search of guns that were capable of bringing the armed and armored robbers down. The criminals had illegal weapons, and the law abiding citizen did not.

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Jul 28, 2012 16:23:41   #
Ronny Loc: Netherlands
 
The human race is the problem, because they can not handle two important parts of life: Guns and religion.
If those two items do not exist, there was more peace and equality. That opinion is based on 76 years of experience having lived in 5 different continents.

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Jul 28, 2012 16:27:23   #
dtcracer
 
Ronny wrote:
The human race is the problem, because they can not handle two important parts of life: Guns and religion.
If those two items do not exist, there was more peace and equality. That opinion is based on 76 years of experience having lived in 5 different continents.


You forgot one important part of life: politics. There are two things that start wars and fights, politics and religion. My father taught me when I was a kid to never discuss politics or religion at work, because it will always lead to a fight. I did not listen to him, but have since learned through experience that it is true.

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Jul 28, 2012 16:40:46   #
star2344 Loc: Lakewood Ranch, FLorida
 
You forgot the third. People!

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Jul 28, 2012 16:56:21   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Hunterlou:

Any one who served on the DMZ deserves a medal. Man was it cold. Was there for about 2 weeks in Feb. Horrible. Don't remember where but was it cold. As my Sgt said it was colder than a well digger's a$$!

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Jul 28, 2012 16:57:46   #
willoughby Loc: Toronto, Canada
 
dtcracer wrote:
willoughby wrote:
Frank T wrote:
Wilpharm,
Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter was armed with a knife, a bat or a battle axe would he have been able to inure or kill seventy people before he was stopped? If you don't think it's about guns then you are simply in denial.
Let me say this as a responsible gun owner and sportsman. I don't need a 33 or 100 round magazine to hunt deer or shoot clay. I don't need a flash supressor to defend my home. I don't need a colapsable stock to take a rifle to the range. Why can't we introduce some reason into this debate? No one wants to take your guns away if your or sane and not a criminal but why do we need military weapons, other than the my guns bigger than your gun childishness that I see throughout this debate.
Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Colorodo shooter w... (show quote)


Absolutely. You don't need a 20 pound hammer to kill a fly and you don't need an assault rifle to defend against a punk with a saturday night special.
quote=Frank T Wilpharm, br Get Real. If the Col... (show quote)


No, but it wouuldn't hurt to have an assault rifle to defend against a punk with an assault rifle! I'm sure the saturday night special that control control advocates think is all a law abiding citizen should have (and that is stretching it) won't be much defense against the assault rifles the criminals will have. Remember the shootout in California with the bank robbers? They had assault rifles, during the active ban on them, and the cops did not. They had to go in search of guns that were capable of bringing the armed and armored robbers down. The criminals had illegal weapons, and the law abiding citizen did not.
quote=willoughby quote=Frank T Wilpharm, br Get... (show quote)


Yes, and it is already too late for ordinary US citizens because your country has allowed wholesale expansion of arms to take place among those who use them with no fear. They don't care how many they kill, they don't care if they die in the process. Your youth has been force-fed a gun culture for so long that there is no turning back, only escalation to bigger, better and more lethal weapons. How sad for the 99.99% of decent citizens who now see the only alternative is to arm themselves with similar killing machines.

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Jul 28, 2012 16:58:48   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
star2344 wrote:
You forgot the third. People!


No you forgot another. The NRA who have had nit wits running that organization ever since it was founded. It is nothing but a front for a Republican pac.

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