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May 3, 2018 17:42:42   #
juanbalv Loc: Los Angeles / Hawthorne
 
Check this Amazon URL. https://www.amazon.com/Pentax-K-01-Mirrorless-Body-Black/dp/B0076396OA/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1525383634&sr=1-3&keywords=Pentax+K-01&dpID=41qNMNlCH4L&preST=_SX300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch
lamiaceae wrote:
This is actually old information. Pentax has / had a Mirrorless camera they barely advertised that is next to impossible to find, the Pentax K-01. It is a APS-C format digital camera that has the modern common Pentax K-mount and can utilize directly all Pentax K-series lenses. And retains Auto features for -A, -FA, -DA and such lenses.

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May 3, 2018 18:21:03   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
The attempt to make an “everything” camera has been around for a long time but somehow has never really worked out or been successful form a standpoint of practically or marketing. It goers back to the film era.

Leica had its Visoflex housing which was an accessory mirror housing that enabled a TTL viewing with a Leica “f” or “M” series rangefinder cameras. Rolleiflex had a 35mm adapter for it famous line of TLR medium format cameras. Thar did not work out because of the fixed lenses. They also had a Rollei-Meter rangefinder device that fit into the sports finder of the pop-open focusing hood. Some of this stuff worked, in a manner of speaking, but they were kinda unwieldy contraptions. Alpa made a SLR with a separate rangefinder and optical viewfinder built into the body- not too many sold.

If the whole advantage of a mirror-less camera is lighter weigh, physically smaller lenses and lower profiles, why lug around a DSLR with some kind of conversion or using live screen? Avoiding mirror slap- maybe?

Unless my optical theory is wrong, wide angle lens comparability would be problematic because DSLRs require retro-focus formulas (?). With some lenses there may be focus range limitations.

Unless one of the companies come up with a fully compatible system of lens sharing, if you want the advantages of both basic types, DSLR and mirror-less digital cameras, you're gonna need both separate systems.

Debatable?

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May 3, 2018 19:03:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
As it is now, Canon's got EF lenses, and EF-S lenses... and a few EF-M lenses. What we REALLY don't need is EF-M-FF lenses too! They are struggling enough to just building the EF-M series (five + years in development and still only 8 or 9 EF-M lenses? most of which are "kit" quality zooms?), without having to start putting together yet another series of lenses!

Do we know with certainty that the EF-M mount is not useable with FF sensors?

Pentax is the one manufacturer that is openly tepid to MILC; their identity is wrapped up in the pentaprism, and they're having enough trouble releasing new FF lenses people say they need.

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May 3, 2018 20:41:19   #
radiojohn
 
The mirror system is the "reflex" part, so it would just be a DSL? DSLM for mirrorless?

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May 3, 2018 20:44:21   #
radiojohn
 
How about just pulling the reflex parts out and put the sensor on the "film plane," running a ribbon cable into the former prism area and put in an EVF?

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May 3, 2018 21:10:00   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Yea, wouldn't that be nice, but that is not their plan.

radiojohn wrote:
How about just pulling the reflex parts out and put the sensor on the "film plane," running a ribbon cable into the former prism area and put in an EVF?

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May 3, 2018 21:22:46   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
radiojohn wrote:
How about just pulling the reflex parts out and put the sensor on the "film plane," running a ribbon cable into the former prism area and put in an EVF?


It's not so simple. Metering in the dslr is attached to the pentaprism, but in the mirrorless , metering and both types of focus, phase and contrast are taken from the sensor signal. They are completely different animals! No interchangable parts as soon as you get past the lens mount. Completely different guts!

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May 3, 2018 21:44:31   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
lamiaceae wrote:
This is actually old information. Pentax has / had a Mirrorless camera they barely advertised that is next to impossible to find, the Pentax K-01. It is a APS-C format digital camera that has the modern common Pentax K-mount and can utilize directly all Pentax K-series lenses. And retains Auto features for -A, -FA, -DA and such lenses.



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May 3, 2018 23:16:17   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
A significant change like that could/should cause a real change in design...

Dik

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May 3, 2018 23:32:43   #
crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada
 
burkphoto wrote:
Instant, real-time view of subject motion. The only delay is mirror and shutter latency (plus your reaction time).

An EVF introduces processing time, but subtracts the mirror movement time.

Once processing is fast enough to make things equal or faster, it’s over for the dSLR.


Bingo

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May 4, 2018 10:08:55   #
TSHDGTL
 
Canon should bring back their pellicle mirror tech in a digital camera with evf and full time pdaf focus.

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May 4, 2018 10:12:48   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
TSHDGTL wrote:
Canon should bring back their pellicle mirror tech in a digital camera with evf and full time pdaf focus.


Why?

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May 4, 2018 11:42:41   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
CatMarley wrote:
Why?


They probably won't do it, but I could see it as a novelty to play on past pellicle technology. Not every "feature" has to make sense to be a "sales point", LOL.

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May 4, 2018 11:44:05   #
James Slick Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
 
TSHDGTL wrote:
Canon should bring back their pellicle mirror tech in a digital camera with evf and full time pdaf focus.


As much as that could be a novelty, It would still be a DSLR, and obviously not mirrorless.

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May 4, 2018 13:26:32   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Mirrorless doesn't need to have the super short lens register they do.... It's all up to the designers. So, yes, in that respect, mirrorless and DSLR can be the same.

In fact, there's talk of Canon and Nikon "full frame mirrorless" and it's something I think they should very seriously consider: Canon should use the same EF mount and 44mm lens register that they do with their DSLRs and film SLRs.... And Nikon should use the same F-mount bayonet and 46.5mm lens register that they do for their FF DSLRs and film SLRs.

There is no reason to use a super short lens register on full frame cameras (18mm is common on APS-C), because....

1. With full frame, in particular, it does little to reduce the size of the lenses and camera . Look at the full frame Sony MILC and the lenses used on them. Not much to be gained, so why do it? (OTOH, it DOES allow APS-C and micro 4/3 MILC to be significantly more compact)

2. Another motivation they might want to consider... rather than create yet another series of lenses, use the ones you've already got without need for any adapters (which further increase lens size). As it is now, Canon's got EF lenses, and EF-S lenses... and a few EF-M lenses. What we REALLY don't need is EF-M-FF lenses too! They are struggling enough to just building the EF-M series (five + years in development and still only 8 or 9 EF-M lenses? most of which are "kit" quality zooms?), without having to start putting together yet another series of lenses! it's a little different, but Nikon has FX lenses, DX lenses, though they apparently hve given up on their Nikon 1 lenses. So if they insisted on creating another series just for their FF MILC camera, they'd only have three lens series (compared to Canon having four). Besides the confusion that it would create (isn't there enuf of that already, needing Nikon/Nikkor compatibility charts?), they'd also be undermining sales of the two most successful and comprehensive lines of lenses made by any modern manufacturer. No need to shoot themselves in the foot!

3. There also are some optical challenges to making ultra wide lenses work on a very short register camera.... which could easily be avoided by simply sticking with what already works.

A MILC that uses their existing lens register... that can use all existing 60 or so FF capable lenses Nikon and Canon each offer... could have all the other features of a MILC: EVF, high frame rate, silent shooting, yada, yada.

In fact, it makes A TON OF SENSE... so they probably won't do it
Mirrorless doesn't need to have the super short le... (show quote)


All very true, Alan. And because of the dilemma, I think Nikon has no choice but to design their mirrorless around the legacy lenses. To do otherwise would make them a very late entry into the game - having to introduce a whole new line of lenses - and perhaps 2 new lines. Fuji and Sony are already pretty far along.

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