Are Lightroom users, snobs?
May 2, 2018 10:06:05 #
digitalexplr wrote:
Use what works for you and don't worry whether someone else likes it or not.
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May 2, 2018 10:12:11 #
Bob Locher
Loc: Southwest Oregon
I think you are right in some cases - some of the users are snobs. Others - no - they simply see it as a tool to do what they want, and are willing to help. Personally I will never use any Adobe product if I can avoid it - I have ugly memories that date back to the Font wars. Plus I abhor the rental philosophy of software.
For cataloging, I strongly urge everyone to try FastStone - it is a free program and is great for cataloging. But - when you first load it it does not seem all that impressive. Be sure to do this: Go to "Settings". Then to the "Thumbnail" tab. Drop down menu - change to 260 X 195. Then use it to explore your "Pictures" directory. FastStone is also a reasonably simple and fairly capable editor.
For heavy PP I am learning "Affinity" but that is another subject.
There are a number of excellent programs to do almost anything in PP. In the end, what counts is the final image, not how you got it.
For cataloging, I strongly urge everyone to try FastStone - it is a free program and is great for cataloging. But - when you first load it it does not seem all that impressive. Be sure to do this: Go to "Settings". Then to the "Thumbnail" tab. Drop down menu - change to 260 X 195. Then use it to explore your "Pictures" directory. FastStone is also a reasonably simple and fairly capable editor.
For heavy PP I am learning "Affinity" but that is another subject.
There are a number of excellent programs to do almost anything in PP. In the end, what counts is the final image, not how you got it.
May 2, 2018 10:22:44 #
wds0410 wrote:
Unquestionably for some UHH's. I have read posts that have quoted the number of users as partial proof of its value as if the multitude of users validates the product. Come on, 12,000,000 users can't be wrong can they?
I remember that McDonalds use to boast of having served over 300 million (or whatever the number was). Did that it make the best place to eat?
I remember that McDonalds use to boast of having served over 300 million (or whatever the number was). Did that it make the best place to eat?
That is from a long long time ago, I remember clearly 50 billion served McDonalds ads. I still prefer Jack-In-The-Box. But neither are gourmet food.
May 2, 2018 10:43:53 #
mwsilvers
Loc: Central New Jersey
DHooch wrote:
I have enjoyed the lively discussion. My original ... (show quote)
There was no unfair comparison of Aftershot to Lightroom. My current editor of choice is DXO Photolab, but I also own and use Lightroom, and Capture One, and have have also spent many hours using ON 1 and Luminar. I have a fairly high level of expertise with all those programs.
I had never heard of Aftershot before your post so I downloaded the trial and spent well over 5 hours leaning the interface, the available tools and their limitations. As I indicated earlier in this thread, on the plus side it has a clean easy to use interface and relatively fast rendering of changes. However, Aftershot's tools lack both the ability and sophistication of Lightroom, Photolab and Capture One and this software is not a good replacement for any one of them. Sorry if you disagree. Regardless of any feature comparisons you may have read, it is simply not in the same league. The controls lacked both subtlety and range, the recovery of shadow detail is poor, and Aftershot lacks features necessary to get the best from raw images. I also checked out about a half dozen of their youtube videos and the images they used were generally surprisingly poor to start with and the end results after adjustments were not terribly good. Aftershot certainly has potential but it is simply not ready to compete with its better know rivals. I'm glad it works for you, but there is no ego or snobbery involved to suggest that Lightroom and any other of the well know pro level packages are leaps and bounds better.
May 2, 2018 10:46:58 #
Exactly - If it works for you - great! - who cares. I do think that the software one uses is usually based on ones skill level at using editing tools. Lightroom is a catalogue & fairly basic editor it's where you take it after lightroom that the real magic happens. For instance, I would never use Lightrooms spot healing or clone stamping tool except on the most basic of fixes; that happens in Photoshop. Other edits happen with other plug-ins or programs. I'm always on the lookout for options and there are some good ones out there. Affinity is an outstanding editor & Luminar has a decent one also. I have several and each one has their attributes.
PixelStan77 wrote:
The important thing is what someone feels comfortable with. You are comfortable with Aftershot, so stick with it. I use Lightroom for last 10 years and do not feel I am a snob. In fact I never heard of Aftershot...lol
May 2, 2018 10:49:13 #
I've never used Lightroom, but some of the guest judges for our photography club swear by it. I just use PSE 12 and whatever basic program is in Windows 10 (Photos, I think)
May 2, 2018 11:25:23 #
Whatever works for you is fine. Old saying, "What other people think is none of your business." [Jewish wisdom!]
May 2, 2018 13:05:56 #
jerryc41 wrote:
I know what you mean, but I don't think they (myself included) are snobs. Some people seem to think of it as a "them and us" situation. LR is so popular that people who use other software are considered outsiders. Now that LR is costing $120 a year to use, I foresee a decline in its popularity, especially with excellent programs available in the $50 range.
Lightrooms best feature is in the organisation of files, more than anything else. Adobe always limited its features in order not to compete with photoshop. With Lightroom 7.02 you now have 1 layer available to use, presumably since now lightroom always comes with photoshop.
The programs i use with lightroom change between sessions if not photographs. I still use standalone 5.75 and see no need to change.
I keep expecting a proper DAM to be released by someone but it still hasn't happened.
May 2, 2018 13:17:54 #
Some LR users are snobs, some snobs are LR users but judging by the many LR users who aren't snobs, I don't think the LR pool has more snobs in it than any other.
May 2, 2018 13:24:38 #
Again, my original post was to say that the person comparing Lightroom to Aftershot Pro felt that Aftershot Pro was so bad that he didn't think it was even worth discussing its pros and cons, as he did with the other four post-processing applications he compared. I did what you did with Aftershot and looked for Lightroom training videos and found that they, too, showed that Lightroom does things very different from anything I am use to. By the way, not only am I a photographer, but, I am a retired Computer Systems analyst and have seen (and written) many user applications. Lightroom definitely does things differently from other graphic software applications I have seen or used. I still don't want to quibble about how different Lightroom and Aftershot Pro handles adjustments to photo images, I just don't see enough differences between the two, to warrant the guy who wouldn't even discuss the differences (expressed in my original post) to dismiss Aftershot Pro, outright. That was why I used the term "snob", not because I think everyone who, rightfully, uses Lightroom, is a snob. They aren't, at all. I still hope people understand the reason for my original post and don't take offense to what I was saying about Lightroom. I will enjoy further comments, but, I have expressed enough of my thoughts. Thanks for all of your input.
May 2, 2018 13:25:48 #
May 2, 2018 13:33:57 #
I've been using Photoshop for the last 20 years and finds that it does everything I need in the image processing dept. --but use what you're comfortable with---it takes time to really learn the resources one of these programs have to deal with your images.
May 2, 2018 13:40:07 #
I stated why in a previous post. If someone only read this guy's comparison of post-processing applications, it would be unfair, by not even including a viable solution. That was my gripe. I feel the same with the main-stream media not reporting on some issue, because of their bias. It is just not fair to their audience, because they (the audience) aren't getting all the information that is available. The worse part is that they don't know what they don't know. The worse part about censorship is.
May 2, 2018 13:40:52 #
DHooch wrote:
I know I'll be flamed over this post, but, here it... (show quote)
I used to have many editing programs on my computer for pictures and I never learned any of them well. I had the Adobe cloud for six months before I actually started to learn it. It was then that I decided that I should learn ONE program well. I chose Lightroom not only for editing but also for organization. There is definitely a large learning curve. Yes, I miss some of the things I could do with my other programs; but, now I am learning Photoshop, and it does those things I missed and a whole lot more (with an even BIGGER learning curve).
I am totally immersed in Adobe now!! Lol. Recently, I thought I might want to get out from under the monthly obligation and bought Luminar. I have yet to learn it! I doubt that money will get so tight that I can’t afford $10/month. If it does, I’ll learn Luminar...maybe.
Bottom line is this: Use what you are comfortable with and pay no attention to what others think. By the way, I never heard of Aftershot. It sounds like it is part of Corel, which I thought was hard to learn, too. Good for you in sticking to your guns!
May 2, 2018 13:42:34 #
DHooch wrote:
I know I'll be flamed over this post, but, here it... (show quote)
Whatever works for you! I started with Photoshop and Lightroom, and like the combo.
bwa
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