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Mar 17, 2018 11:37:44   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
I have previously shot the 1DsII, the 5dII, 5dIII and the 6D. My wife got me the 6DII, which came with Canon battery grip, for $1,499. I will never use the battery grip but so far the shots with the 6DII have shown very good detail. It is a huge upgrade over the 6D. The 6Ds locally are now sell for $800-$900. If you can get the 6DII, got for it. The best all around lens is the 24-105/f4 L lens. I have that and have considered the II model but the increase in quality, based on reviews, is not that much to make me want to do the switch. Canon service, if you ever need it, is very very good.

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Mar 17, 2018 11:40:53   #
AntonioReyna Loc: Los Angeles, California
 
I have the 6DII, having previously had the 6D and it is great. Go for it as it is a huge upgrade over the 6D which had very good image quality. Best all around Canon lens is the 24-105 f/4 lens, either I or II version.

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Mar 17, 2018 11:46:39   #
kcooke Loc: Alabama
 
BridieMcKenna wrote:
Does anyone here use the 6D Mark II? If so, how do you like it, and what are some good all-purpose zoom lenses? If I decide to go with it, I’ll start with one good zoom I can leave on most of the time and one good portrait lens, and build from there. I was also looking at Nikon D850 & have the zoom & portrait prime to go with it, but got screwed over by an Amazon 3rd Party seller who listed a used D850 around the price of the Canon I budgeted for, then never sent the camera. The Sony A7 riii was also in the running, but I’m afraid it’s out of my price range right now.
Does anyone here use the 6D Mark II? If so, how do... (show quote)


I do not have experience with the 6D Mark ii. I can comment on on all purpose zoom.
I recently purchased a Tokina AT-X 24-70mm f/2.8 PRO FX for my Canon 5D Mark II. B&H had it on sale at $619 instead of $950 in December. The lens works well for me and sharpness is incredible. Read the the reviews at DXO mark and Ken Rockwell’s review as well. There are a few others out there but you’ll have to dig on the internet to find them. It is highly rated. Some say better than the first version canon 24-70 F2.8 but not as good as the version II. Beware that this lens is rather large and is heavy. I use it as my walking around lens right now.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:00:51   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
First I have to say I do not use 6DII (still using 5DII because of limited use for a FF camera... I'll upgrade to 5DIV or 5DS eventually).

Arguably the 6DII's biggest claim to fame is it's much upgraded AF system. The original model had rather primitive (by today's standards) fixed 11-point AF with one cross type at the center, the rest lower performance single axis and f/5.6 limited. The 6D II got the very cool 45-point, all cross type, up to 27 of which are f/8 capable (same system as 80D uses, how many can be used at f/8 varies with lens, but at least the center one can be with any lens). It's ALSO got DPAF (dual pixel AF) in Live View, a huge improvement over the old contrast detection AF used on previous models. Both models are able to focus at =3EV (with f.2.8 or faster lens) at center point only and around -1EV at the rest... this is a good thing for a camera optimized for low light work, in particular. One occasional gripe about the new camera's AF is that the 45-point array doesn't cover a lot of the viewfinder, is rather concentrated in the center compared to the APS-C models using similar.

6DII is the first Canon full frame DSLR to have an articulated LCD monitor. That's also a Touch Screen (not a first, but still a nice upgrade from original 6D and many other previous models).

6DII also has 4K video, while the original was HD (video is not something I use my DSLRs for or know very much about, but I know it's a big deal to some folks). Some other features I don't use but some people want, 6DII has both WiFi and GPS built in. The WiFi is upgraded to Bluetooth and the GPS now turns off when the camera is shut down (Note: Some prev. Canon models including the original 6D with GPS would leave it on even when camera was powered off, draining batteries if you forgot to turn the GPS off manually. Some other Canon models... such as the similarly designed APS-C 80D, have WiFi, but not GPS built in. A separate module is needed, if GPS is wanted. Still other models... such as 7D Mark II... have GPS built in, but not WiFi.... again relying upon a separate module if WiFi is wanted.)

There's also a nice bump in continuous shooting rate with the 6DII. The original model's top speed was 4.5 frames per second. The new model's is a very respectable 6.5 fps.

When it comes to image quality, there's been a lot discussion about whether the 6DII "holds up", especially in the noise department. Actually I think Bryan Carnathan's take at the-digital-picture.com is about right, as shown in a previous response. Side-by-side with both images at 100%, the 6DII looks noisier. But that fails to take into account it's modest, but real 30% increase in resolution from the original camera. If you scale the 6DII image down to the same size as the older model's image, the newer camera has the edge. Also, in it's day (introduced in 2013), the original 6D was widely considered to be one of the lowest noise, highest ISO capable cameras on the market! So the 6DII has a lot to live up to... and some other cameras have caught and surpassed it, but are selling for MUCH more money!

Purportedly the 6DII also has slightly lower dynamic range than the earlier model, too. For that matter, supposedly the Sony sensors in Nikon offer greater DR than any of the Canon models. Personally I think this is one of the most over-hyped issues of all. For one, it's easy enough to deal with any camera's DR limitations using HDR techniques (multiple images or a single RAW file multi-processed). Plus, DR comparisons are done at the cameras' lowest native ISO (100 in most cases) where DR is the greatest. All cameras see less DR with higher ISOs.... and by 800 to 1600 there's little difference between Canon and Nikon in most cases. In fact, in some Canon pulls ahead with a little more DR at ISOs even higher than that. When do you most commonly need all the DR you can get? At higher ISOs! More often than not, shortcomings in DR are seen in lack of detail in shadows. I'm not sayin' it isn't great to have more DR whenever possible... just that it's not all that big a deal and actually can be dealt with pretty easily. (But the Nikon versus Canon crowd needs something to talk about!)

Lenses: Another vote for that oldie but goodie EF 28-135mm IS USM. It was quietly discontinued last year, but hundreds of thousands were sold so you can easily find excellent copies used for $200 or less and the image quality and performance is every bit as good as an EF 24-105L costing around 3X as much. Differences... the 24-105L seems better built (as an L-series lens should), HOWEVER history has shown it's actually no more durable. Both lenses get "zoom creep" and seem to fail about as often (not all that often really, but some typical issues seen when they do: 28-135mm aperture fails; 24-105mm flex cable fails). I've had and used about four or five 28-135s over the years (still have two of them... only ever broke one of them). Personally I wouldn't spend more for a 24-105L. Apparently, neither would Ken Rockwell, since he appears to have used the 28-135mm for many of his sample shots in his 6DII review. Joe Farace, professional photographer and long-time contributor to Shutterbug magazine, is another strong proponent and user of the 28-135mm.

The 24-105L II introduced in 2017 is improved over the original in several ways, although it's nothing earth-shaking AND image quality isn't one of the areas of very significant improvement (more aperture blades make for slightly nicer background blur). It's got the latest and greatest (and unproven) "Nano USM" focus drive that's fast like USM, but quiet and smooth like STM, so is usable both for still photography and video. It's also got better IS (old lens often needed it turned off if locked down on a tripod). It remains to be seen if the new lens will prove to be more durable over time.

Seems to me that Canon blew it in one respect.... When they designed the new EF-S 18-135mm IS using the "Nano USM" they also created an optional PZ-E1 power zoom module for use on it. As an accessory videographers might appreciate, to me it just makes sense to design other lenses that are particularly useful for video to be able to use that accessory, too. However, for some inexplicable reason Canon didn't do that with the EF 24-105L II or the EF 70-300mm IS USM II, both of which feature the new video-oriented AF drive and were introduced some months after the EF-S 18-135mm USM. Go figure! That's a missed opportunity, IMO.

The 24-105L II will cost you $1000 if bought separately (on sale, usually $1100)... But can gotten in kit with the 6DII for a slight discount: $900. Still, that's 4.5X to 5X the price of a used 28-135! (Or about triple the price of a 28-135 new, if you can find one anywhere.)

The 6DII is actually more likely to bundled with a different 24-105... The non-L version with variable aperture and STM focus drive. In kit with the camera, that lens costs $400. Bought separately it's usually $600. (Still around 2X to 3X the cost of a 28-135mm that may be bit better performing in some ways.... faster USM AF, for example.)

I am NOT sayin' the 24-105L lenses are "bad". They aren't. In fact, they're pretty darned good. But I just can't make myself spend more unnecessarily, when I know there's an alternative that can do pretty much everything those lenses can do just as well.... for a LOT less money. (Which is probably why Canon finally discontinued the venerable old 28-135mm.... It was competing too well against more expensive and profitable lenses they were offering and would prefer to sell us.)

If money, size and weight were no object, I'd opt for the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM II... which has been called "a bag full of premium primes in a zoom" for it's image quality. But that lens ain't cheap ($1850 right now) and is pretty hefty (BTW, the EF 24-105L "II" is only a few grams lighter than the 24-70/2.8L II... the 24-105 II gained a lot of weight compared to the original).

My choice would actually be the EF 24-70mm f/4L IS USM... which has nearly as good IQ as the f/2.8 II, costs far less ($1000), is a bit more practical size & weight, plus has IS... AND it offers amazing .70X macro mode (all the others are more typical with around .21X to .23X). That might allow me to leave my macro lens at home too, further lightening my load.

While any of the above would serve as "walk-around" zooms, they also can certainly be used for portraiture... especially the longer zooms (IMO, on full frame 70mm is a bit short for a lot of portraiture). There are a number of excellent portrait primes in the Canon system. There are three 85mm: The smaller, less expensive EF 85mm f/1.8 USM is fine. The EF 85mm f/1.2L USM II is amazing (though very pricey, even on sale at $1850... regularly $2000... and a bit slower focusing, by design). The new EF 85mm f/1.4L IS USM is also superb and adds image stabilization (but is pricey at $1600). There's also the affordable, excellent and reasonably sized but often over-looked EF 100mm f/2 USM. And, finally, there's the legendary EF 135mm f/2L USM ($1000).

For full length portraits, wider environmental portraits, couples and small groups, 50mm lenses can be useful too. Canon offers three: EF 50mm f/1.8 STM ($125), EF 50mm f/1.4 USM ($330 on sale, usually $400... plus $25 for lens hood that's no included) and the premium EF 50mm f/1.2L USM ($1350 on sale, usually $1450). Even 35mm might be used for those types of portraiture. Once again, there are choices: EF 35mm f/2 IS USM ($550 on sale, usually $600... plus $45 for separately sold lens hood) or EF 35mm f/1.4L USM II ($1650 on sale, usually $1800).

I generally don't care for them for this purpose, but some folks use macro lenses for portraiture. Canon offers two options with their EF 100mm f/2.8 USM (older model without IS, but still excellent, $600 plus $140 for tripod mounting ring B) or EF 100mm f/2.8L IS USM (newer, with IS, $800 on sale plus $160 for tripod mounting ring D). Personally I find most macro lenses are actually too sharp for portraits... plus they're f/2.8 at best and at times it can be nice to have one or two stop larger apertures.

There also are a choice of zooms that include the ideal portrait focal lengths:
- EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM (oldest version, without IS or fluorite, $1250 on sale... regularly $1350)
- EF 70-200mm f/4L USM (without IS, $600 on sale plus $144 for separately sold Tripod Ring B... regularly $650 + $144)
- EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM (with IS, $1100 on sale plus $144 for separately sold Tripod Ring B... regularly $1200 + $144... compare to Nikkor 70-200mm f/4 VR costing $1400 + $165 for tripod ring)
- EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM II ($1950 on sale... $2100 regularly... compare to Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 "FL" VR costing $2800).

Finally, it would be a bit of a beast for portraiture, but the EF 100-400mm L "II" also might serve, although it's f/4.5 in the 100mm to 134mm, f/5 from 135 to 311mm, and f/5.6 beyond that (but it's 3.5 lb. and $2050 on sale). The earlier push/pull zoom version of that lens is still widely available, too... selling for about $1300 (and just a little svelter at 3 lb.)

Have fun shopping! I hope you aren't out any $ on that failed purchase on Amazon. Be careful! It sounds to me like a scam and "sent up a red flag", when a very recently introduced model such as D850 (which is widely back-ordered and in short supply... Nikon can't build them fast enough!) shows up "used" and heavily discounted.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:02:43   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Mi630 wrote:
For what it’s worth... I went to my local camera store with a 6D and original 24-105 lens with the intent to trade both in and purchase the 6D II and new 24-105 lens. The owner told me to buy the new lens but not to upgrade the 6D. He said the 6D II was not a significant improvement over the original 6D, especially in dynamic range. I would consider that to be a pretty significant thing to consider considering he volunteerly lost a sale. That is why I buy from the local camera shop. Fully trustworthy.
For what it’s worth... I went to my local camera s... (show quote)


Time to find a new store or at least sales rep because Mr. Trustworthy is an idiot. Pretty much the only aspects of the 6D and 6D II that were unchanged are wifi, gps, shutter speed and USB. The 6D has 11 AF points with 1 cross type, the 6D II has 45 all cross type dual pixel AF. 27 of which work at f/8. That is light years ahead of the original. The MK II has anti flicker, 4k time lapse, full HD video at 60 fps, Bluetooth, standard ISO to 40000, intelligent view finder and an articulated touch screen and it's very light for a full frame. As for the lens, the new one has less glass in it, is larger and heavier and is optically similar to the original. The new lens does have better lens coating and better IS but is it really that much better than the original? Since I have both I can honestly say, no.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:25:31   #
Selene03
 
I am sure others have said this by now, but I can't read through all of the responses here at the moment. I had a 6D, which has since been upgraded to a 5d mk iv and a 5dsr. I gave the 6d to a friend, who is taking beautiful photos with it. I absolutely loved the camera because of its light weight and how it worked. It sold me on the Canon system (I was using a Nikon d600 at the time). Personally, I think the Nikons almost always come on top vis-a-vis Canons on specs, but the lighter (for me, user friendly) quality of the Canons are hard to beat. And, I do think you can get better lenses for the Canons at a lower price. I haven't used the 6D II (because I had already upgraded to two 5d bodies), but I think I would like it if I tried it. I have read negative things about the 25-105 II f 4.0 L lens, but I bought it on the recommendation of a few people who got amazing photos from it, and I love it. I think it is an excellent lens and better than the first version of that lens, though the first version is a solid, useful lens that has gone around the world with me. You might also look at Canon refurbished. They are having a St. Patrick's day sale right now--both the camera and the lens (the first version of the 25-105) were available the last I looked at very good prices. They are refurbished and tested by Canon and come with a one-year warranty. I have bought several lenses and a camera from Canon refurbished and they have all been like new products. Whatever you decide on, enjoy your new camera!!!!

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Mar 17, 2018 12:26:58   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
......The 6D MK II has anti flicker...


Good point! I forgot about that.

Anti-Flicker is a great, new feature that I often use on my 7D Mk IIs! It makes a LOT of difference in the accuracy of exposures under fluorescent and similar types of lighting.

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Mar 17, 2018 12:56:00   #
BridieMcKenna
 
leftj wrote:
Have you taken your case to Amazon? If it was their third party seller I think they will get your issue rectified.


I’ve gone back & forth with them, & they say I was covered by their A-Z Guarantee and not charged for the camera that I never received, & they refuse to respond when I point out that I spent way over $1000 dollars on lenses & batteries/charger for the camera that I never received. I now have to deal with returning what I can & reselling the lens that I bought used from EBay.

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Mar 17, 2018 13:03:44   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
BridieMcKenna wrote:
I’ve gone back & forth with them, & they say I was covered by their A-Z Guarantee and not charged for the camera that I never received, & they refuse to respond when I point out that I spent way over $1000 dollars on lenses & batteries/charger for the camera that I never received. I now have to deal with returning what I can & reselling the lens that I bought used from EBay.


Was it a 5DIV refurbished you were trying to buy? If so you will be much better off buying the refurbished one from for $2,700 direct from Canon than selling your other stuff and buying something else.

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Mar 17, 2018 14:05:25   #
BridieMcKenna
 
leftj wrote:
Was it a 5DIV refurbished you were trying to buy? If so you will be much better off buying the refurbished one from for $2,700 direct from Canon than selling your other stuff and buying something else.


I sold my Canon T6i (old standby that I loved!!) and my nearly new Sony A6500, looking to move into a full frame camera. I had originally decided on the 6D Mark II- I compared it to the 5D Mark IV, but for the price and having the fully articulated touch screen, I felt it was my best option. After reading several reviews with higher ratings, I started looking around for used Nikon D850’s (so new, they don’t seem to exist) and Sony A7 Riii with the higher megapixels, & lighter weight on the Sony.

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Mar 17, 2018 17:05:34   #
louiegoods Loc: Northern NJ 8 miles West of NYC
 
I upgraded to the 6D Mll and am very satisfied. My most preferred lens is the 24-105 1:4L IS ll USM. I also always carry my Rokinon 14mm 2.8. The articulating LCD is a must for me as well as high ISO capabilities; the 6D is better at higher IS than the D850. Ther are negative reviews regarding low ISO capabilities and no 4K video.

This is a helpful link to compare ISO between models. If the Sony A7 is also know as the A700 you'll be suprised with the ISO comparison.

http://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/PDR.htm

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Apr 11, 2018 07:26:40   #
Robert63 Loc: Taunton MA
 
I own a 6d mark ii and use a tamron 24-70 f2.8 di vc usd g2 and love it. I take indoor shots a lot and it is very good at low light. I also have the 50mm 1.8 lens and that is very nice also.

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Apr 11, 2018 08:18:45   #
ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin
 
Today there are many awesome cameras to be had in several formats and even sizes. Currently I have the 6D2 and this camera has got me back into having fun with a camera.
For two years I struggled with a 7D2, not sure why awesome camera for many, but just wasn't as fun as T1i I had for several years before the 7D2.
Now I'm eager to take pics whenever...

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Apr 12, 2018 02:31:33   #
BridieMcKenna
 
AntonioReyna wrote:
I have previously shot the 1DsII, the 5dII, 5dIII and the 6D. My wife got me the 6DII, which came with Canon battery grip, for $1,499. I will never use the battery grip but so far the shots with the 6DII have shown very good detail. It is a huge upgrade over the 6D. The 6Ds locally are now sell for $800-$900. If you can get the 6DII, got for it. The best all around lens is the 24-105/f4 L lens. I have that and have considered the II model but the increase in quality, based on reviews, is not that much to make me want to do the switch. Canon service, if you ever need it, is very very good.
I have previously shot the 1DsII, the 5dII, 5dIII ... (show quote)


Where did you find the 6Dii at that price, and with a battery grip?!

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Apr 12, 2018 08:39:41   #
ltj123 Loc: NW Wisconsin
 
I got my 6d2 for $1349, eBay, no grip but that's okay as got standard package items AND Canon USA warranty..
But might be an exception - always buyer beware with eBay, still I've made 20+ purchases there w/o any problems.

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