Did Nikon Delete the Flash on the D850?
Apr 6, 2018 11:03:50 #
wsa111 wrote:
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Cost and the idea of the limitations of the built in flash.
I use mine as outdoors fill in but mostly go to the Nikon Flash units.
Apr 6, 2018 11:03:56 #
Tomcat5133
Loc: Gladwyne PA
My Sony a7s II has no pop up flash. Most high end camera's don't have the pop up flash. Most times the flash is not story enough to do much.
So I have the sony a6300 with a pop up flash. I tend to shoot without the flash at events and get pretty good results. I invested in a small Sony flash
that can be used on any of my Sony's with the interface shoe. It can also be transmitter to other flashes.
So I have the sony a6300 with a pop up flash. I tend to shoot without the flash at events and get pretty good results. I invested in a small Sony flash
that can be used on any of my Sony's with the interface shoe. It can also be transmitter to other flashes.
Apr 6, 2018 11:51:49 #
hookedupin2005
Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
For just a few bucks, you can buy a better flash.... When you buy a Rolls Royce, you don't worry about the price of gas. :-)
Apr 6, 2018 12:04:03 #
wsa111 wrote:
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
I had a D200 many years ago, which had a popup flash. I used it a few times but like most built-in flashes it generated harsh shadows and redeye problems. So I got an external speedlight. The speedlight was generally used in bounce mode, aimed at the ceiling or a nearby wall. Much better shots that way.
Then I got a D3, no popup flash. I didn't really miss it because I had the external speedlight. The only time I started to miss it was when I wanted to remove the speedlight from the camera to get it further away and experiment with off-camera flash. The popup flash on the D200 could be used as a commander that told the off-camera flash when to fire. So I used the D200 for that kind of work.
Eventually I got another speedlight so I could use the D3 (et seq.) with off-camera lighting.
Apr 6, 2018 12:08:19 #
bpulv
Loc: Buena Park, CA
sxrich wrote:
Other than fill flash outside during the day, why would you not have an external flash for a camera of this stature? Not trying to be pejorative in my response. However, I do like a pop-up as it acts as a trigger for off camera flash with the CLS system Other than that.........
But, remember that the D850 does not use a CLS system. It uses radio control to trigger flash units.
Apr 6, 2018 12:20:16 #
bpulv wrote:
But, remember that the D850 does not use a CLS system. It uses radio control to trigger flash units.
CLS is supported in the D850 (https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/dslr-cameras/d850.html#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-TechSpecs)
Apr 6, 2018 12:33:37 #
bpulv
Loc: Buena Park, CA
wsa111 wrote:
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
There are several reasons why Nikon eliminated built in flash on the D850. Eliminating the built in flash allows better weather sealing. Additionally, the D850 uses a radio transmitter to trigger slave flash units instead of infrared as used on the D800 and D810, therefore the built in flash is no longer needed as a trigger. Also, built in flash units are too close to the plane of the lens and that can cause red eye when photographing people. In addition, professionals and advanced amateurs, the target customers for D800 series cameras, use an external flash when they need fill flash at the camera and since built in flash does not provide a diffuser or bounce flash capability the feature is seldom used by most photographers.
Apr 6, 2018 13:00:30 #
wsa111 wrote:
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
They did not eliminate the flash, the 850 was never intended to have one (its only useful in a pinch anyway)!
Apr 6, 2018 13:08:50 #
bpulv wrote:
.....Additionally, the D850 uses a radio transmitter to trigger slave flash units instead of infrared as used on the D800 and D810, therefore the built in flash is no longer needed as a trigger.....
But you have to spend extra money to get the rf trigger... at that price point it should be built in (imho... I guess I expect too much, maybe I'm just old and grumpy LOL)
Apr 6, 2018 13:25:36 #
wsa111 wrote:
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
I think I read from Nikon that if you have a pro type camera they expect you to use a pro flash and not want the pop up.
Apr 6, 2018 13:25:49 #
bpulv
Loc: Buena Park, CA
speters wrote:
They did not eliminate the flash, the 850 was never intended to have one (its only useful in a pinch anyway)!
Who cares if Nikon's intended to have one or not, the fact is that the D850 does not have that "feature."
Frankly, I wish that they had built in GPS. Why do so many point and shoot cameras have GPS, but $3,000+ camera's do not?
Apr 6, 2018 13:37:11 #
bpulv wrote:
... Why do so many point and shoot cameras have GPS, but $3,000+ camera's do not?
For one thing, use of GPS is not permitted in some countries.
http://support-th.canon-asia.com/contents/TH/EN/8202620100.html gives a list of countries where GPS is allowed, but there is a note on some countries to the effect that "Only product models sold in the country/region are approved for use".
Of course that does not answer the question of why the point and shoot cameras have GPS (or cell phones, for that matter), but they're generally fairly cheap. Confiscation of a $3000+ camera would be a bummer.
Apr 6, 2018 14:10:50 #
bpulv wrote:
.....Frankly, I wish that they had built in GPS. Why do so many point and shoot cameras have GPS, but $3,000+ camera's do not?
Agreed
Apr 6, 2018 14:42:45 #
Non sense. Canon never had it and was the reason I bought the 800.
Now I will not buy the 850
Now I will not buy the 850
Apr 6, 2018 14:46:11 #
I have a D800 & was considering a D850, but since i do not always carry a separate flash i rely on the built in flash.
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
The D-5 and D-850 are pro cameras. In the case of the D-5, most all sporting venues DO NOT allow flash photography rendering the pop-up useless. Thus, the high ISO capabilities of the D-5. When flash or strobe photography is allowed in amateur or professional sports (RARE occasions) it MUST be off-camera equipment.
In regards to the 850, again, being a pro camera the use of some kind of professional lighting or strobe equipment would be much more suited to get professional results vs. a gaudy, harsh, red-eye producing device. Besides, why take a $3,000 - $6,000 professional camera and turn it into a mid-level amateur camera!
Why did they eliminate this handy feature??
The D-5 and D-850 are pro cameras. In the case of the D-5, most all sporting venues DO NOT allow flash photography rendering the pop-up useless. Thus, the high ISO capabilities of the D-5. When flash or strobe photography is allowed in amateur or professional sports (RARE occasions) it MUST be off-camera equipment.
In regards to the 850, again, being a pro camera the use of some kind of professional lighting or strobe equipment would be much more suited to get professional results vs. a gaudy, harsh, red-eye producing device. Besides, why take a $3,000 - $6,000 professional camera and turn it into a mid-level amateur camera!
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