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Jul 25, 2012 10:24:51   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
While serving in Viet Nam, I was able to capture an
AK47 and a back pack from a dead VC. I was able to
take the back pack home as a souvenier,but I had
to leave the AK47 in Nam,I alwas wondered what ever
happen to that rifle,I was told we were unable to
take automatic back to the states.

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Jul 25, 2012 10:46:38   #
Dogman Loc: Michigan
 
LARRYR. wrote:
While serving in Viet Nam, I was able to capture an
AK47 and a back pack from a dead VC. I was able to
take the back pack home as a souvenier,but I had
to leave the AK47 in Nam,I alwas wondered what ever
happen to that rifle,I was told we were unable to
take automatic back to the states.


Welcome Home LARRYR! Best bet is it made it back to the States by the person who removed if from you. Those folks didn't have to risk life and limb to remove those items from the field of battle. They just snatched it from the returning Grunts. And as you suggested it was and is against the law to return with the AK-47.

The backpack you recovered - did it have any personal information about the VC; pictures, letters etc.? Vietnam Veterans of America has a program where such items will try to be returned to the Vietnamese families. Kind of a good will program and it does help in getting information on our MIAs from the Viet Nam government.

I wear a MIA bracelet for Maj. Morgan Donahue - KIA/MIA 12/13/68. Hopefully someday his remains will be returned and I can remove his bracelet.

Dogman

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Jul 25, 2012 10:58:06   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
tramsey wrote:
rfbccb wrote:
tramsey wrote:
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.


None of these were automatic weapons. It take a Class 3 tax stamp to own an automatic. You being an expoliceman should know that.
quote=tramsey I fail to understand why a private ... (show quote)


You are correct but I understood the assault rifle was automatic. That's why he had that huge clip. That's how he emptied it and had to reload.
quote=rfbccb quote=tramsey I fail to understand ... (show quote)


That is possible, however many Glocks and Sigs have a magazines that hold 15 rounds and if you have one in the chamber that 16 in each gun then multiply that by 2. That's 32. Change out magazines on each is another 30. Well you get my point here.

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Jul 25, 2012 11:23:45   #
jethro63 Loc: Australia
 
Hi
lam from Australia and we are stuck with very tight gun laws and l am a hunter and target shooter, my question is how can an unemployed 23 year old afford all this weaponry and other goodies when he literally has no income, something somewhere does not ring true.And keep in mind that after all the lawful gun owners surrender their firearms only the crooks will have them as they will never surrender theirs as we have found over here.

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Jul 25, 2012 11:32:06   #
Skip-M Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jul 25, 2012 11:32:50   #
cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana
 
jethro63 wrote:
Hi
lam from Australia and we are stuck with very tight gun laws and l am a hunter and target shooter, my question is how can an unemployed 23 year old afford all this weaponry and other goodies when he literally has no income, something somewhere does not ring true.And keep in mind that after all the lawful gun owners surrender their firearms only the crooks will have them as they will never surrender theirs as we have found over here.

I think that I remember hearing that he used money that was intended to be used for his schooling?

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Jul 25, 2012 11:38:13   #
tramsey Loc: Texas
 
This is my last post on this thread.
I went and shot my mouth off again without knowing the facts. The rifle he was using can be changed to a full automatic, it requires a drop in bolt and other adjustments that a gun smith can do. I imagine that the information can be found somewhere on the Internet. If there are instructions on how to make a bomb on the Internet it isn't a stretch that this would also be somewhere on it.
However, the AR-15 Holmes was using was semi-automatic capable of shooting 50-60 rounds a minute not the 100+ rounds a minute I was informed. Also it was the clip that malfunctioned not the rifle, so he had to change weapons not reload.
I stand corrected and apologize for getting all riled up over misinformation. It will probably happen again. I am too old to change.
I am sorry I made a hard headed fool of myself. Yes, I can see all of you over there in the corner snickering.

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Jul 25, 2012 11:43:21   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
tramsey wrote:
rfbccb wrote:
tramsey wrote:
I fail to understand why a private citizen should have an automatic assault rifle' let alone a hundred round clip. When I was on the police force I was on a shooting team. I had 50 bullet casings and powder. I made the bullets from wheel weights. I won seven Grand Master Tournaments. You don't need a hundred rounds of anything. I strongly feel the automatic assault rifles and hundred round clips so should be band.


None of these were automatic weapons. It take a Class 3 tax stamp to own an automatic. You being an expoliceman should know that.
quote=tramsey I fail to understand why a private ... (show quote)


You are correct but I understood the assault rifle was automatic. That's why he had that huge clip. That's how he emptied it and had to reload.
quote=rfbccb quote=tramsey I fail to understand ... (show quote)


Automatic means the gun reloads itself after a shot is fired.
Semi automatic means each shot requires a separate trigger pull.
Fully automatic means the gun will keep firing until the trigger is released or the clip or magazine empties.
Some semis require the trigger to be flicked forward after each shot.

Recent news reports on the shooting clarify that the rifle was a semi-automatic and that it jammed.
A 100 round drum magazine capable of feeding 50 to 60 rounds per minute was recovered.
One shot per second! Not a lot of time for anyone to realize the attack was real, push through a panicking crowd and get clear.
And if someone else with a gun in the theatre had seen you drawing a gun (to take Holmes down) would they know you were a good guy?

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Jul 25, 2012 11:44:19   #
cameraniac Loc: Huntingburg, Indiana
 
tramsey wrote:
This is my last post on this thread.
I went and shot my mouth off again without knowing the facts. The rifle he was using can be changed to a full automatic, it requires a drop in bolt and other adjustments that a gun smith can do. I imagine that the information can be found somewhere on the Internet. If there are instructions on how to make a bomb on the Internet it isn't a stretch that this would also be somewhere on it.
However, the AR-15 Holmes was using was semi-automatic capable of shooting 50-60 rounds a minute not the 100+ rounds a minute I was informed. Also it was the clip that malfunctioned not the rifle, so he had to change weapons not reload.
I stand corrected and apologize for getting all riled up over misinformation. It will probably happen again. I am too old to change.
I am sorry I made a hard headed fool of myself. Yes, I can see all of you over there in the corner snickering.
This is my last post on this thread. br I went and... (show quote)
I'm not snickering. With todays media, it is almost impossible to discern fact from fiction. One of the many reasons why we have our cameras to help us escape....lol!

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Jul 25, 2012 11:48:26   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
tramsey wrote:
This is my last post on this thread.
I went and shot my mouth off again without knowing the facts. The rifle he was using can be changed to a full automatic, it requires a drop in bolt and other adjustments that a gun smith can do. I imagine that the information can be found somewhere on the Internet. If there are instructions on how to make a bomb on the Internet it isn't a stretch that this would also be somewhere on it.
However, the AR-15 Holmes was using was semi-automatic capable of shooting 50-60 rounds a minute not the 100+ rounds a minute I was informed. Also it was the clip that malfunctioned not the rifle, so he had to change weapons not reload.
I stand corrected and apologize for getting all riled up over misinformation. It will probably happen again. I am too old to change.
I am sorry I made a hard headed fool of myself. Yes, I can see all of you over there in the corner snickering.
This is my last post on this thread. br I went and... (show quote)


No snickering here. I admire you for posting a correction.

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Jul 25, 2012 11:51:19   #
krgatlgm Loc: Las Vegas, Nv
 
Dogman wrote:
06harley wrote:
It is NOT easy to change a semi-automatic to automatic. Most gunsmiths cannot even do this with their knowledge. Looks of a gun do not make it an assault rifle. The media will look at a gun and call it an assault rifle by it's look. The average person will do the same because like the media they have NO knowledge of what a assault rifle is. There is a huge difference between a AR-15 rifle and it's look a like counterpart M-16 rifle used in Viet Nam.


Spot on 06harley. When I was issued the AR-15 in the states and hand carried it to Viet Nam in 1965 it was referred to as the AR-15. Not too long after it was renamed, if you will, the 'M-16'. So true on how the media references looks to assault.
quote=06harley It is NOT easy to change a semi-au... (show quote)


So true, so true. Most in the media, like several people on this thread, have no idea of what they are talking about when it comes to "assault rifles".
We need more government oversight of firearms ownership? Yeah right. Thegovernment has done a bang up job of controlling drugs in this country. Leave our weapons alone. Leave the constitution alone.
And by the way, a magazine holds and feeds rounds in a semi-auto or full-auto weapon. A "clip" is used to keep the hair out of your daughter's eyes.

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Jul 25, 2012 11:56:31   #
Phreedom Loc: Kitchener, Ontario, Canada
 
tramsey wrote:
This is my last post on this thread.
I went and shot my mouth off again without knowing the facts. The rifle he was using can be changed to a full automatic, it requires a drop in bolt and other adjustments that a gun smith can do. I imagine that the information can be found somewhere on the Internet. If there are instructions on how to make a bomb on the Internet it isn't a stretch that this would also be somewhere on it.
However, the AR-15 Holmes was using was semi-automatic capable of shooting 50-60 rounds a minute not the 100+ rounds a minute I was informed. Also it was the clip that malfunctioned not the rifle, so he had to change weapons not reload.
I stand corrected and apologize for getting all riled up over misinformation. It will probably happen again. I am too old to change.
I am sorry I made a hard headed fool of myself. Yes, I can see all of you over there in the corner snickering.
This is my last post on this thread. br I went and... (show quote)


No we aren't snickering.
Besides, the topic is about Gun Control, its legality, its current effectiveness and if more gun laws will really make any difference.

I'm reminded of what the first president of the United States once said,
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington

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Jul 25, 2012 11:56:43   #
Dogman Loc: Michigan
 
tramsey wrote:

Yes, I can see all of you over there in the corner snickering.


If I never made a mistake I'd be in that corner snickering. When you look at that corner it would be empty!

Dogman

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Jul 25, 2012 12:00:46   #
FLandWVMIKE Loc: Daytona Beach, Fla.
 
rfbccb ......................
You are correct. There were no AUTOMATIC weapons used in the shootings in Colorado. Automatic weapons ARE strickly regulated and rarely used in crimes.
A semi-automatic rifle is really no different than a semi-automatic hunting rifle, except it just looks more sinister. It can handle a larger clip, which I really don't think abyone really needs, but that is another question.
Hunting rifles come in larger calibers and are designed to do more damage to the target. If you ban the "assualt" rifles, the kooks will start using the more powerful hunting guns.
If you ban all guns, the kooks will use home-made bombs. The Colorado shooter had bomb knowledge, but, fortionaly, used his guns, instead.

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Jul 25, 2012 12:07:10   #
RichT Loc: St. Petersburg, Fl
 
A CLIP is not a MAGAZINE people!

http://www.angelfire.com/art/enchanter/clip.html

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