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Apr 1, 2018 18:23:42   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
I concede that the quote about the distinction regarding E type lenses was confusing. The point is, and always has been, that an AF-D lens will not autofocus on the old D40 body. Am I right or wrong? That's all I've been trying to say from the start.


No, you clearly made the statement, 4 times I have counted, that "D" lenses WILL NOT AF on those bodies, which is BLATANTLY WRONG. D, as I have told you also several times HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AF FUNCTION OF A LENS!
But all you want to do is argue and call me an idiot and you are doing yourself as well as this site a terrible disservice with such terribly BAD information.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:29:31   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
I concede that the quote about the distinction regarding E type lenses was confusing. The point is, and always has been, that an AF-D lens will not autofocus on the old D40 body. Am I right or wrong? That's all I've been trying to say from the start. The "D" in the lenses you referenced in your first post refers to the transmission of distance information from camera to lens (and I think we agree about that as well). Where you go wrong is in referring to these lenses as "D-type" lenses. I am talking about the type of lenses that require a screw drive to auto focus; for example, the AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.4D and the AF NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4D IF, that I mentioned in my original post. These lenses will not autofocus on the old D40 body. Am I right or wrong?
I concede that the quote about the distinction reg... (show quote)


There is none so blind as he who will not see.

Maybe Nikon themselves will help you:
https://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/camera-lenses/af-s-zoom-nikkor-17-35mm-f%252f2.8d-if-ed.html
This is but one of the D lenses I own that has the AF-S motor and will AF on all entry level bodies, even the ancient D40.
But I guess without shoving one of them directly in your face you will refuse to read the "D" anyway. Pathetic.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:29:39   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I am very surprised at your lack of knowledge of AF-S and AF-I "D" lenses Alan. Looks like its time for a refresher course in Nikon lenses for you as well. Just look up any of the AF-S "D" lenses I posted already and you will see clearly that there are MANY Nikon D lenses with AF-S motors in them and ALL will work of the entry level Nikons just fine. "D" does NOT preclude AF from working on those bodies unless AND ONLY IF the lens specifically says AF D! If the lens shows an "S" or an "I" after the AF it will still autofocus on those entry level bodies even though it is clearly marked as a D lens.
I am very surprised at your lack of knowledge of A... (show quote)


In which case it is not an AF-D lens, but an AF-S or an AF-I lens. This whole ridiculous discussion -- which has veered so far from the OP's original question that I suspect we've driven him into hiding -- is over whether a "D" (for distance, no Disagreement there) ANYWHERE in name of the lens makes it a D-type lens. I maintain (as does Alan, and Nikon, apparently, along with DxO, PhotographyLife, DPReview and countless other sources), that AF-S lenses are AF-S lenses, and AF-I lenses are AF-I lenses, and AF-D lenses are AF-D lenses -- whereas you prefer to call them all AF-D lenses, if they have a D anywhere in the name.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:33:42   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
off of your own link you just sent the D40/D40X has ai Limited af Compatibility‡ Limited afs Compatibility† Full Compatibility af-p Not Compatible e type Not Compatible, soooo yep looks like they are compatible though limited I buy only used lenses and have a few af-d type they work for me on my D7100 and D800, side note because I shoot mainly landscape I manual focus about 70 percent of the time it really is not a hindrance in any way that I can tell. I did pay attention and usually do not entered this sort of debate but you are trying to put down MT's advice even though he gave correct information.
mbarrett635 wrote:
No, they aren't D-mount, they are D-type. All Nikon SLR lenses are F-mount, throughout all the various iterations. I thought that was made clear early on . . . The same link you provided clearly references "AF-D" lenses, which is what we are both talking about. The link you are referring to also clearly indicated that the Df camera is unique in that it can use all the different types of lenses, which is NOT true for every other Nikon camera. The page you provided makes that clear -- perhaps you need to pay more attention to details, which is what this whole foolish discussion is about.

The only point I've been trying to make is that the D-type lenses will not auto focus on all Nikon cameras, because they lack an internal focusing motor and rely on a screw drive in the camera body. If the camera body doesn't have that, and the ones I've mentioned previously don't, then those lenses won't be able to auto focus with those bodies. I challenge anyone to find any authority that says otherwise. In fact, here is Nikon's own chart from the same site you provided that says the same thing:

https://www.nikonusa.com/Images/Learn-Explore/Photography-Techniques/2011/Which-Nikkor-is-Right-for-You/Media/NIKKOR-lens-compatibility-chart.pdf

The AF lenses listed are the same ones I'm talking about. The chart lists those camera models which have "Limited Compatibility† Can only be used as a manual focus lens. No AF."

As for my credentials and why I don't believe MT Shooter (and it's only in regard to this one simple issue) -- because I've personally owned the exact cameras and lenses that I'm talking about, as a working pro for the last 15 years. I don't claim to be an expert from reading Rockwell's site (in fact, I have't looked at his site for years before today) and I also provided three other more authoritative sources; did you bother to read those? Otherwise, it seems you are quick to criticize someone who has the facts (but who you don't know) simply in favor of someone you feel you do know, but who doesn't have the correct facts.
No, they aren't D-mount, they are D-type. All Nik... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2018 18:38:18   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
terry44 wrote:
off of your own link you just sent the D40/D40X has ai Limited af Compatibility‡ Limited afs Compatibility† Full Compatibility af-p Not Compatible e type Not Compatible, soooo yep looks like they are compatible though limited I buy only used lenses and have a few af-d type they work for me on my D7100 and D800, side note because I shoot mainly landscape I manual focus about 70 percent of the time it really is not a hindrance in any way that I can tell. I did pay attention and usually do not entered this sort of debate but you are trying to put down MT's advice even though he gave correct information.
off of your own link you just sent the D40/D40X h... (show quote)


Not to worry, we get plenty of these know-it-all newbies here who know nothing, they come and go like flies, as I am sure this one will as well. Even showing him the lenses makes no difference as he refuses to even read their titles because he will have to eat crow if he dares to read them.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:41:05   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
terry44 wrote:
off of your own link you just sent the D40/D40X has ai Limited af Compatibility‡ Limited afs Compatibility† Full Compatibility af-p Not Compatible e type Not Compatible, soooo yep looks like they are compatible though limited I buy only used lenses and have a few af-d type they work for me on my D7100 and D800, side note because I shoot mainly landscape I manual focus about 70 percent of the time it really is not a hindrance in any way that I can tell. I did pay attention and usually do not entered this sort of debate but you are trying to put down MT's advice even though he gave correct information.
off of your own link you just sent the D40/D40X h... (show quote)


Okay, I give up. You say yourself that you own AF-D lenses, but they work fine with your D800 and D7100. OF COURSE THEY DO! AF-D lenses are fully compatible with both cameras. Try to autofocus one of your AF-D lenses on a D40 -- which was all I ever tried to say -- and let me know how it works for you. This site is clearly the "cult of MT Shooter", and no one is really smart enough to pay attention to what is being said. I have better things to do with my time. I'm going to stick to Nikonians and NikonCafe in the future, where real photographers seem to have no problem understanding basic concepts.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:42:45   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
I agree really do not understand why he seems to be arguing this as the question was a D Mount which there obviously is none for a Nikon oh well lots of armchair experts I guess. Happy Easter MT.
MT Shooter wrote:
Not to worry, we get plenty of these know-it-all newbies here who know nothing, they come and go like flies, as I am sure this one will as well. Even showing him the lenses makes no difference as he refuses to even read their titles because he will have to eat crow if he dares to read them.



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Apr 1, 2018 18:46:30   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
good god you just said it they work and the chart even shows you that they work but are limited so what the heck are you arguing about if the weather is nice where you are at why not take the D40 and dust it off and go check it out for yourself and like I said it really is not that difficult to manual focus if you wish but I bet that lens Mounts onto your D40.
mbarrett635 wrote:
Okay, I give up. You say yourself that you own AF-D lenses, but they work fine with your D800 and D7100. OF COURSE THEY DO! AF-D lenses are fully compatible with both cameras. Try to autofocus one of your AF-D lenses on a D40 -- which was all I ever tried to say -- and let me know how it works for you. This site is clearly the "cult of MT Shooter", and no one is really smart enough to pay attention to what is being said. I have better things to do with my time. I'm going to stick to Nikonians and NikonCafe in the future, where real photographers seem to have no problem understanding basic concepts.
Okay, I give up. You say yourself that you own AF... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2018 18:49:42   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
terry44 wrote:
good god you just said it they work and the chart even shows you that they work but are limited so what the heck are you arguing about if the weather is nice where you are at why not take the D40 and dust it off and go check it out for yourself and like I said it really is not that difficult to manual focus if you wish but I bet that lens Mounts onto your D40.


Jeezus you are as dense as lead. They work, but they won't autofocus. That's it. That's my point. That's all I ever said. The chart says it, you say it, apparently MT Shooter even says it -- so what's your point?

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Apr 1, 2018 18:53:34   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
Jeezus you are as dense as lead. They work, but they won't autofocus. That's it. That's my point. That's all I ever said. The chart says it, you say it, apparently MT Shooter even says it -- so what's your point?


Only one word fits:

IDIOT

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Apr 1, 2018 19:22:12   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
The point is that Nikon has no D Mount lens as per the ops post you decided to change it to a AF-D lens debate no where near what the op asked. You think lead is dense try gold I was just out today on the creek sluicing and scored over a 1/4 ounce in a pocket of bedrock hows that for changing the subject.
mbarrett635 wrote:
Jeezus you are as dense as lead. They work, but they won't autofocus. That's it. That's my point. That's all I ever said. The chart says it, you say it, apparently MT Shooter even says it -- so what's your point?

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Apr 1, 2018 21:19:33   #
lbjed Loc: New York
 
I stand corrected. Thank you.
MT Shooter wrote:
Absolutely incorrect!
"D" has nothing to do with the focus drive, it only designates that the lens has a focus confirmation chip in it that transmits focus data to the cameras PCB.
What determines if a lens will AF on the entry level Nikon bodies you note is the focus drive system of the lens. "AF" designated lenses have the older mechanical screw drive focus motors and will NOT AF on those entry level bodies.
AF-I, AF-S, & AF-P designated lenses have electronic focus motors inside the lens and wil auto focus on any current series Nikon DSLR.
There are several Nikon lenses that carry BOTH the AF-I or AF-S AND "D" designations and will AF on those entry level lenses. I personally own 3 of them. The AF-S 17-35MM F2.8D, AF-S 28-70MM F2.8D, & AF-I 400MM F2.8D.
ALL Nikon SLR & DSLR lenses are made wth the Nikon "F" mount except the very short lived Pronea series cameras.
Absolutely incorrect! br "D" has nothing... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2018 21:57:55   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
There are no d mount lens it an f mount but a d series d series have a aperture on the lens.

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Apr 1, 2018 21:59:06   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
This is a d mount lens.

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Apr 1, 2018 22:11:18   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
carl hervol wrote:
This is a d mount lens.


No picture.
D mount lenses were used on old 8mm movie cameras. They were a 5/8" (15.88mm) thread mount lens with a 32 tpi barrel. You can but D - MFT adapters but the lens image circle will not cover the entire MFT sensor area.

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