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Apr 1, 2018 11:24:01   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
Absolutely incorrect!
"D" has nothing to do with the focus drive, it only designates that the lens has a focus confirmation chip in it that transmits focus data to the cameras PCB.
What determines if a lens will AF on the entry level Nikon bodies you note is the focus drive system of the lens. "AF" designated lenses have the older mechanical screw drive focus motors and will NOT AF on those entry level bodies.
AF-I, AF-S, & AF-P designated lenses have electronic focus motors inside the lens and wil auto focus on any current series Nikon DSLR.
There are several Nikon lenses that carry BOTH the AF-I or AF-S AND "D" designations and will AF on those entry level lenses. I personally own 3 of them. The AF-S 17-35MM F2.8D, AF-S 28-70MM F2.8D, & AF-I 400MM F2.8D.
ALL Nikon SLR & DSLR lenses are made wth the Nikon "F" mount except the very short lived Pronea series cameras.
Absolutely incorrect! br "D" has nothing... (show quote)


That's actually not completely accurate. While I don't know about the newer D3000x and D5000x cameras, I do know from personal experience that older entry level cameras (such as the Nikon D40) would not auto-focus with D-series lenses, because the D-Series lenses needed a screw-drive to actuate the autofocus mechanism, and the older entry level Nikons lacked the screw drive. They only worked with newer, AF-S lenses that had their own motors. However, the D-series lenses I'm referring to are designated as "AF-D", such as the AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.4D and the AF NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4D IF. The AF-S 17-35mm F2.8D is not a D-series lens, but rather an S-series lens. None of the lenses you list are D-series lenses.

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Apr 1, 2018 11:31:58   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
That's actually not completely accurate. While I don't know about the newer D3000x and D5000x cameras, I do know from personal experience that older entry level cameras (such as the Nikon D40) would not auto-focus with D-series lenses, because the D-Series lenses needed a screw-drive to actuate the autofocus mechanism, and the older entry level Nikons lacked the screw drive. They only worked with newer, AF-S lenses that had their own motors. However, the D-series lenses I'm referring to are designated as "AF-D", such as the AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.4D and the AF NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4D IF. The AF-S 17-35mm F2.8D is not a D-series lens, but rather an S-series lens. None of the lenses you list are D-series lenses.
That's actually not completely accurate. While I ... (show quote)


Obviously you did not READ my post or simply have no comprehension whatsoever as to what the "D" designates.
All my lenses listed, as well as many other Nikon D lenses will fully autofocus on even the old D40 camera as they are true D lenses as well as having the in lens focus motors.
Again, "D" has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH A LENS' FOCUS MOTOR! PERIOD!

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Apr 1, 2018 11:33:13   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
I did read your post, and was trying to be polite. It is in fact you who do not know what you are talking about. Read this information carefully. https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm

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Apr 1, 2018 11:52:52   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
I did read your post, and was trying to be polite. It is in fact you who do not know what you are talking about. Read this information carefully. https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm


I do feel sorry for you in that you refuse to actually READ anything. AF D lenses and AF-S D lenses both exist yet you choose to believe otherwise. Very sad. But PLEASE stop disseminating your false information to others as it is totally counterproductive and rude. I believe Nikon knows a LOT more about their lenses that YOU ever will simply because you apparently have no first hand knowledge of the issue and refuse to research it.
Since you are a KR pundit and follower just search his own site for any of the lenses I have listed. Read about them and educate yourself before starting arguments you cannot win!

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Apr 1, 2018 12:29:34   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I do feel sorry for you in that you refuse to actually READ anything. AF D lenses and AF-S D lenses both exist yet you choose to believe otherwise. Very sad. But PLEASE stop disseminating your false information to others as it is totally counterproductive and rude. I believe Nikon knows a LOT more about their lenses that YOU ever will simply because you apparently have no first hand knowledge of the issue and refuse to research it.
Since you are a KR pundit and follower just search his own site for any of the lenses I have listed. Read about them and educate yourself before starting arguments you cannot win!
I do feel sorry for you in that you refuse to actu... (show quote)


I know they both exist, but they are different lenses. That was my point.

You are an idiot. I'm not a KR pundit, but sometimes even his simplistic site provides good information. If you don't like his site, try:

http://photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/index.html

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/lens2.htm
From that site:

"E: Electronic Diaphragm
The new electronic diaphragm "E" lenses only work on Nikons introduced since about 2007. They work perfectly on all FX cameras.

YES: As of January 2018, electronic diaphragm "E" lenses work only on the D5, D4, D4s, D3, D3s, D3P, D3x, Df, D850, D810, D800/e, D750, D700, D610, D600, D500, D300, D300s, D7000, D7100, D7200, D7500, D5600, D5500, D5300, D5200, D5100, D5000, D3400, D3300, D3200, D3100, Nikon 1 J1, J2, J3, J4 with FT-1, Nikon 1 V1, V2, V3 with FT-1, and Nikon 1 S1, S2 with FT-1.

NO: These new "E" diaphragm lenses will not work on the D1 or D2 series, D100, D200, D90, D80, D70 series, D60, D50, D40 series, or the D3000, and will not work on any 35mm camera. The diaphragm will stay wide-open, which may or may not be a problem for you. In the case of tele lenses like the 200-500mm f/5.6E, this isn't much of a problem because we usually shoot long lenses wide-open, in which case the E lenses are compatible with everything. If you don't mind shooting wide-open; even on a 1959 Nikon F you can focus manually and shoot wide open except if it's an AF-P lens."

or of course you can check:

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/index.page

Moreover, I have not only researched this, I actually OWN the two Nikkor lenses I've described, along with more than a dozen more, and have owned and used other lenses -- including D-series lenses -- in the past. I have also owned the Nikon D40x camera (and a D70, D80, D2H, D2Hs, D300, D3, D3s, D700, D4, D4s, D5 and D850 -- and I still have the last five cameras) and know these two lenses wouldn't work with the D40 from first hand experience. I've been a professional photographer for more than 15 years, not just a fan boy whose mouth exceeds his knowledge. Most people come here looking for information, but you just want to have an argument. Hopefully others will be able to pick up good information from the resources I've listed, and ignore an abusive troll like you. As far as this topic is concerned, I'm done.

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Apr 1, 2018 12:38:18   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
I know they both exist, but they are different lenses. That was my point.

You are an idiot. I'm not a KR pundit, but sometimes even his simplistic site provides good information. If you don't like his site, try:

http://photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/index.html

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/lens2.htm
From that site:

"E: Electronic Diaphragm
The new electronic diaphragm "E" lenses only work on Nikons introduced since about 2007. They work perfectly on all FX cameras.

YES: As of January 2018, electronic diaphragm "E" lenses work only on the D5, D4, D4s, D3, D3s, D3P, D3x, Df, D850, D810, D800/e, D750, D700, D610, D600, D500, D300, D300s, D7000, D7100, D7200, D7500, D5600, D5500, D5300, D5200, D5100, D5000, D3400, D3300, D3200, D3100, Nikon 1 J1, J2, J3, J4 with FT-1, Nikon 1 V1, V2, V3 with FT-1, and Nikon 1 S1, S2 with FT-1.

NO: These new "E" diaphragm lenses will not work on the D1 or D2 series, D100, D200, D90, D80, D70 series, D60, D50, D40 series, or the D3000, and will not work on any 35mm camera. The diaphragm will stay wide-open, which may or may not be a problem for you. In the case of tele lenses like the 200-500mm f/5.6E, this isn't much of a problem because we usually shoot long lenses wide-open, in which case the E lenses are compatible with everything. If you don't mind shooting wide-open; even on a 1959 Nikon F you can focus manually and shoot wide open except if it's an AF-P lens."

or of course you can check:

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/index.page

Moreover, I have not only researched this, I actually OWN the two Nikkor lenses I've described, along with about a dozen more. I have also owned the Nikon D40x camera (and a D70, D80, D2H, D2Hs, D300, D3, D3s, D700, D4, D4s, D5 and D850 -- and I still have the last five cameras) and know these two lenses wouldn't work with the D40 from first hand experience. I've been a professional photographer for more than 15 years, not just a fan boy whose mouth exceeds his knowledge. Most people come here looking for information, but you just want to have an argument. Hopefully others will be able to pick up good information from the resources I've listed, and ignore an abusive troll like you. As far as this topic is concerned, I'm done.
I know they both exist, but they are different len... (show quote)


Oh, so now you have found out you are totally wrong and want to start an argument about "E" designations? Thats just pathetic! What does that have to do with anything discussed here? Nothing!
Time for you to just tuck tail and run as you have already shown everyone hete you know nothing about Nikons lens selection.
Yes I AM a Nikon dealer as well as a long time Nikon user AND a camera store owner as well as a former Nikon Professional Services employee. Goodbye to your lack of knowledge!

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Apr 1, 2018 16:35:17   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
Where did the E lens fit into the ops post for D lens, Mt Shooter is correct
mbarrett635 wrote:
I know they both exist, but they are different lenses. That was my point.

You are an idiot. I'm not a KR pundit, but sometimes even his simplistic site provides good information. If you don't like his site, try:

http://photosynthesis.co.nz/nikon/index.html

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/nikonfmount/lens2.htm
From that site:

"E: Electronic Diaphragm
The new electronic diaphragm "E" lenses only work on Nikons introduced since about 2007. They work perfectly on all FX cameras.

YES: As of January 2018, electronic diaphragm "E" lenses work only on the D5, D4, D4s, D3, D3s, D3P, D3x, Df, D850, D810, D800/e, D750, D700, D610, D600, D500, D300, D300s, D7000, D7100, D7200, D7500, D5600, D5500, D5300, D5200, D5100, D5000, D3400, D3300, D3200, D3100, Nikon 1 J1, J2, J3, J4 with FT-1, Nikon 1 V1, V2, V3 with FT-1, and Nikon 1 S1, S2 with FT-1.

NO: These new "E" diaphragm lenses will not work on the D1 or D2 series, D100, D200, D90, D80, D70 series, D60, D50, D40 series, or the D3000, and will not work on any 35mm camera. The diaphragm will stay wide-open, which may or may not be a problem for you. In the case of tele lenses like the 200-500mm f/5.6E, this isn't much of a problem because we usually shoot long lenses wide-open, in which case the E lenses are compatible with everything. If you don't mind shooting wide-open; even on a 1959 Nikon F you can focus manually and shoot wide open except if it's an AF-P lens."

or of course you can check:

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/index.page

Moreover, I have not only researched this, I actually OWN the two Nikkor lenses I've described, along with more than a dozen more, and have owned and used other lenses -- including D-series lenses -- in the past. I have also owned the Nikon D40x camera (and a D70, D80, D2H, D2Hs, D300, D3, D3s, D700, D4, D4s, D5 and D850 -- and I still have the last five cameras) and know these two lenses wouldn't work with the D40 from first hand experience. I've been a professional photographer for more than 15 years, not just a fan boy whose mouth exceeds his knowledge. Most people come here looking for information, but you just want to have an argument. Hopefully others will be able to pick up good information from the resources I've listed, and ignore an abusive troll like you. As far as this topic is concerned, I'm done.
I know they both exist, but they are different len... (show quote)

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Apr 1, 2018 16:53:08   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
avemal wrote:
Thought Nikon was F mount.

I seen D mounts. What is the story?
Thanks


Nikon are F-mount.

There are "D type" AF lenses that don't have a focus drive motor in the lens itself, but rely upon a motor in the camera body that drives the AF of the lens. D-type lenses also typically have a manual aperture control ring on the lens itself.

Sometimes those are referred to as "AF-D", though that's not an official term found imprinted on the lens itself. Actually "D type" has something to do with other things besides AF. There are manual focus D-type, too. "D" actually stands for "distance", which refers to technology in the lens that can tell what distance it's focused to, which can be helpful to setting accurate automatic flash exposures, among other things.

More info here: https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm#afd
https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm#afp

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Apr 1, 2018 17:12:06   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
amfoto1 wrote:
There are manual focus D-type, too.

Please name one (that has not been modified).

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Apr 1, 2018 17:18:57   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
terry44 wrote:
Where did the E lens fit into the ops post for D lens, Mt Shooter is correct


E lenses came later in time, after the D lenses. The point being, cameras that were made specifically to use the E lenses (D40, D3300, etc) cannot auto-focus with a D lens. They can still use the lenses, they just can't autofocus. This admittedly has nothing to do with the OP's question; rather, it goes to correcting the misinformation that Mt Shooter provided.

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Apr 1, 2018 17:43:49   #
terry44 Loc: Tuolumne County California, Maui Hawaii
 
There is no D mount lens for Nikon cameras, instead of following rockwells site why not go to the source Nikon itself here is a link that explains it (I know it uses the df for a camera but it fits the use of most if not all of Nikons cameras) it also covers the use of an ai lens which includes af, af-d,afs https://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/a/products-and-innovation/using-legacy-nikkor-lenses-with-the-nikon-df.html as you now should be able to see MT is correct why do you not believe him he is a reputable dealer for Nikon and has given the forum some of the most solid advice that has been given, what are your credentials to have us believe you over a valued member as MT Shooter.
just reading rockwells notes does not make one an expert there are many more out there in the vast space of the internet who also have great advice and information following one persons site and just quoting them is not a healthy way of seeking knowledge. Hope the link helps set you straight.
mbarrett635 wrote:
E lenses came later in time, after the D lenses. The point being, cameras that were made specifically to use the E lenses (D40, D3300, etc) cannot auto-focus with a D lens. They can still use the lenses, they just can't autofocus. This admittedly has nothing to do with the OP's question; rather, it goes to correcting the misinformation that Mt Shooter provided.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:04:31   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
No, they aren't D-mount, they are D-type. All Nikon SLR lenses are F-mount, throughout all the various iterations. I thought that was made clear early on . . . The same link you provided clearly references "AF-D" lenses, which is what we are both talking about. The link you are referring to also clearly indicated that the Df camera is unique in that it can use all the different types of lenses, which is NOT true for every other Nikon camera. The page you provided makes that clear -- perhaps you need to pay more attention to details, which is what this whole foolish discussion is about.

The only point I've been trying to make is that the D-type lenses will not auto focus on all Nikon cameras, because they lack an internal focusing motor and rely on a screw drive in the camera body. If the camera body doesn't have that, and the ones I've mentioned previously don't, then those lenses won't be able to auto focus with those bodies. I challenge anyone to find any authority that says otherwise. In fact, here is Nikon's own chart from the same site you provided that says the same thing:

https://www.nikonusa.com/Images/Learn-Explore/Photography-Techniques/2011/Which-Nikkor-is-Right-for-You/Media/NIKKOR-lens-compatibility-chart.pdf

The AF lenses listed are the same ones I'm talking about. The chart lists those camera models which have "Limited Compatibility† Can only be used as a manual focus lens. No AF."

As for my credentials and why I don't believe MT Shooter (and it's only in regard to this one simple issue) -- because I've personally owned the exact cameras and lenses that I'm talking about, as a working pro for the last 15 years. I don't claim to be an expert from reading Rockwell's site (in fact, I have't looked at his site for years before today) and I also provided three other more authoritative sources; did you bother to read those? Otherwise, it seems you are quick to criticize someone who has the facts (but who you don't know) simply in favor of someone you feel you do know, but who doesn't have the correct facts.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:13:49   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
mbarrett635 wrote:
E lenses came later in time, after the D lenses. The point being, cameras that were made specifically to use the E lenses (D40, D3300, etc) cannot auto-focus with a D lens. They can still use the lenses, they just can't autofocus. This admittedly has nothing to do with the OP's question; rather, it goes to correcting the misinformation that Mt Shooter provided.


You STILL do not have any clue what you are talking about!
Also "E" has nothing to do with AF systems either, that means Electronically controlled aperture, and they are NOT compatible with the old D40 bodies. No matter how many times you spread such false information it STILL does not become true!.

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Apr 1, 2018 18:18:16   #
mbarrett635 Loc: Harrisburg PA
 
MT Shooter wrote:
You STILL do not have any clue what you are talking about!
Also "E" has nothing to do with AF systems either, that means Electronically controlled aperture, and they are NOT compatible with the old D40 bodies. No mattet how many times you spread such false information it STILL does not become true!.


I concede that the quote about the distinction regarding E type lenses was confusing. The point is, and always has been, that an AF-D lens will not autofocus on the old D40 body. Am I right or wrong? That's all I've been trying to say from the start. The "D" in the lenses you referenced in your first post refers to the transmission of distance information from camera to lens (and I think we agree about that as well). Where you go wrong is in referring to these lenses as "D-type" lenses. I am talking about the type of lenses that require a screw drive to auto focus; for example, the AF NIKKOR 50mm f/1.4D and the AF NIKKOR 85mm f/1.4D IF, that I mentioned in my original post. These lenses will not autofocus on the old D40 body. Am I right or wrong?

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Apr 1, 2018 18:20:07   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Nikon are F-mount.

There are "D type" AF lenses that don't have a focus drive motor in the lens itself, but rely upon a motor in the camera body that drives the AF of the lens. D-type lenses also typically have a manual aperture control ring on the lens itself.

Sometimes those are referred to as "AF-D", though that's not an official term found imprinted on the lens itself. Actually "D type" has something to do with other things besides AF. There are manual focus D-type, too. "D" actually stands for "distance", which refers to technology in the lens that can tell what distance it's focused to, which can be helpful to setting accurate automatic flash exposures, among other things.

More info here: https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/nikortek.htm#afd
https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/compatibility-lens.htm#afp
Nikon i are /i F-mount. br br There are "... (show quote)


I am very surprised at your lack of knowledge of AF-S and AF-I "D" lenses Alan. Looks like its time for a refresher course in Nikon lenses for you as well. Just look up any of the AF-S "D" lenses I posted already and you will see clearly that there are MANY Nikon D lenses with AF-S motors in them and ALL will work of the entry level Nikons just fine. "D" does NOT preclude AF from working on those bodies unless AND ONLY IF the lens specifically says AF D! If the lens shows an "S" or an "I" after the AF it will still autofocus on those entry level bodies even though it is clearly marked as a D lens.

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