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Jul 23, 2012 09:38:57   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
sandollor wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
I enjoy the "cheeky" remarks and hackneyed "logic". Tell it to the mother who lost her 6 year young daughter, the father searching for his son on his birthday, to find out he was among the dead, on & on. These are not soldiers dying in a combat zone, they`re civilians dying in your home towns , killled by those who are armed better than most frontline troops. I know the slogan " guns don`t kill, people kill" . If you don`t ban the former than perhaps you should ban the latter. ;-)
I enjoy the "cheeky" remarks and hackney... (show quote)


To address the logic Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

People buy fishooks to catch fish. If fishooks did not catch fish, people would not buy them to catch fish. People buy guns to kill people, if guns did not kill people, people would not buy them to kill people.
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Your logic is flawed, if fishing hook are made illegal I will use an arrow or a knife. If a man wants to kill another man he will the weapon or tool matters not. I have seen what a pool cue can do to a human being. I rather be shot!!!

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Jul 23, 2012 10:00:41   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
I'm a deer hunter and occasional bird hunter. I have done so since I was 14. I have yet needed more than three shots to take a deer in one shooting. I hunt water fowl and they have a gun plug of a three shot limit on a shot gun. I don't use an assult rifle to hunt deer. I have friends who have hand guns to take wildlife as per DNR rules. If you need a gun to shot more than five rounds for any type of hunting then I think you should not be out in the woods amongst us hunters because you are a danger to our safety. You certainly are not looking out for the other hunter. I believe any assult rifle and clips of more than 5 rounds should be banned on the streets and for hunting. I also believe the protective gear he had should be banned. The use of armor piercing bullets also should be banned. These items are out there only for the purpose to kill innocent people. Where are the rights of people who want restrictions imposed on these items? Come on NRA get your head out of your behind you are going to lose this fight and it will not be with an assult rifle.

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Jul 23, 2012 10:07:42   #
Blake Loc: Alfred NY
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
I'm a deer hunter and occasional bird hunter. I have done so since I was 14. I have yet needed more than three shots to take a deer in one shooting. I hunt water fowl and they have a gun plug of a three shot limit on a shot gun. I don't use an assult rifle to hunt deer. I have friends who have hand guns to take wildlife as per DNR rules. If you need a gun to shot more than five rounds for any type of hunting then I think you should not be out in the woods amongst us hunters because you are a danger to our safety. You certainly are not looking out for the other hunter. I believe any assult rifle and clips of more than 5 rounds should be banned on the streets and for hunting. I also believe the protective gear he had should be banned. The use of armor piercing bullets also should be banned. These items are out there only for the purpose to kill innocent people. Where are the rights of people who want restrictions imposed on these items? Come on NRA get your head out of your behind you are going to lose this fight and it will not be with an assult rifle.
I'm a deer hunter and occasional bird hunter. I h... (show quote)


I use one shot to get my one dear I limit my turkey gun to 3 rounds. I can legally have 5. To learn to shoot with this kind of precision took practice at the range. Many many rounds were used.

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Jul 23, 2012 10:17:02   #
sandollor
 
Blake wrote:
sandollor wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
I enjoy the "cheeky" remarks and hackneyed "logic". Tell it to the mother who lost her 6 year young daughter, the father searching for his son on his birthday, to find out he was among the dead, on & on. These are not soldiers dying in a combat zone, they`re civilians dying in your home towns , killled by those who are armed better than most frontline troops. I know the slogan " guns don`t kill, people kill" . If you don`t ban the former than perhaps you should ban the latter. ;-)
I enjoy the "cheeky" remarks and hackney... (show quote)


To address the logic Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

People buy fishooks to catch fish. If fishooks did not catch fish, people would not buy them to catch fish. People buy guns to kill people, if guns did not kill people, people would not buy them to kill people.
quote=Mike629 I enjoy the "cheeky" rema... (show quote)


That may be true but there is a flaw to your logic. If I can't use a hook I will use an arrow. If a man wants to kill another he will
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No flaw in logic. Guns kill people people. If guns did not kill people, people would not use guns to kill people.

Your logic explains people will kill people, thats true. people will kill people with any means available. People use guns to kill people because guns kill people.

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Jul 23, 2012 10:34:19   #
alann Loc: Virginia
 
Spent 22 years as a Navy Corpsman serving with the U.S. Marines. I have carried since 1970 and will continue to do so. If just one person had a weapon (and knew how to use it) a lot fewer would have been hit. Don't like the way I think? Sorry 'bout that. :)

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Jul 23, 2012 10:38:31   #
xseabee Loc: Northern California; Northern, Colorado
 
Michael O' wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
I enjoy the "cheeky" remarks and hackneyed "logic". Tell it to the mother who lost her 6 year young daughter, the father searching for his son on his birthday, to find out he was among the dead, on & on. These are not soldiers dying in a combat zone, they`re civilians dying in your home towns , killled by those who are armed better than most frontline troops. I know the slogan " guns don`t kill, people kill" . If you don`t ban the former than perhaps you should ban the latter. ;-)
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629, you give full evidence of being another of the closed mind set who blithely and blindly follow the dictates of the Hollywood geniuses, the so-called "Major media", the theory-only based college professorial community, and Mayor Bloomberg. Until you have devoted some years of your life to the defense of your country and its freedoms, I assume you will want to remain in your closeted condition -- and out of contact with the reality and facts of life. Logic is based upon FACT, not upon philosophy. Nor are we talking about Aristophanes' "The Kingdom of the Birds" here. No comedy. I would be most appreciative if, in future, you would confine your high jumping to track meets. Gratsi and arividercci and andiamo.
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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
"For those who have had to fight for it;
Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

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Jul 23, 2012 10:42:51   #
alann Loc: Virginia
 
"For those who have had to fight for it;
Life has a flavor the protected will never know."


So true.

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Jul 23, 2012 10:43:50   #
14kphotog Loc: Marietta, Ohio
 
Blake wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
How can an individual purchase all this ammo in 2 or 3 months, especially post 9-11, and it does not raise a red flag? Have your guns but limit ammo and 100 round clips ? No way. How many more times will we see tragedies like this in Aurora before we come to our collective senses and take action?


Ok most of you here know that I am a first responder. I do not like going to these types of calls and I have gone to a number of them. I also am a hunter. And a firearms instructor. I will tell you up frot that I respect folk that do not own any guns and I believe that everyone should be at lest trained to know how to recognize what one is and how to protect it and others when one is found without its owner near. Please do not laugh I can show you working guns that you would never think we're a gun so that being said.

I enjoy the meat that I harvest. I also enjoy the time in Gods country when I'm hunting. I also hone my hunting skills when I'm in the woods with my camera too when I want to get those wildlife pictures but that is off topic. I will share the meat I get when I hunt. There are many people in this country that are having a hard time making ends meet so by giving some of my harvest away may help someone that really needs it.

Again to those of you that don't own firearms. I will ask a very serious question of you. It actually 2 questions. If the women in your lives and your self where in a situation that you where about to be raped and had to litterally fight for your life. Would you not want a gun to shoot the perp. In a life or death situation, I can tell you from expirence you will do whatever it will take to live. If you where being mugged by an armed mugger. In many cases of an armed confrontation, if the intended victim has a gun as well pulls it out the mere presence of that gun will significagently change the odds of your survival. However, if it does not then you better be able to follow through and know how to use it to defend yourself and your family as well as your property. I will also tell you that there are many states that have strict laws on how to engage or not engage a person in a life or death situation. And that is more important than wether or not I carry a gun.

To be totally honest in this situation the man was exstreamly dangerous. He is highly educated and wanted to kill innocent people. Even if he had not used a gun which he did not have to. He had other exsplosives in his apartment Some of them were made from everyday products that you can buy at any store. Do you want to have your floor cleaner registered to you every time you buy it? Seriously floor cleaners can be used for I'll purposes if someone wants to. The last thing that I will say for now is that he wanted to kill. He would have had the very same results even if he did not have any guns on him.
quote=Mike629 How can an individual purchase all ... (show quote)

I also have worked on a medic team and been to a shooting, man standing over victim with gun in hand. The right to bear arms must be preserved at all cost. You will never stop a "nut killer" from doing what he sets out to do. Guns, knifes, ball bats, golf clubs, bow and arrows, bombs, they will still do it if guns were banned. Victim lived!!!

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Jul 23, 2012 10:48:46   #
Skip-M Loc: Phoenix AZ
 
I fully agree

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Jul 23, 2012 10:55:36   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
berchman wrote:
Cotton11 wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
NRA brainwashing is obviously working. The have effectively created gun zombies and the only way to kill a zombie is with a head shot. God Bless the NRA for saving me from my myopic POV. Kill the Zombies ( Dems) and let`s live !!! WHAT??? Wyatt Earp never took any lead, he must be a God. Yep, stupid and so is owning an assault weapon. This argument will go on `til the last shot is fired.


Why is owning an "assault weapon" stupid?

Randall


In the summer of 1964 when the Harlem riots threatened to spill over to my block on the edge of Harlem, I went to a sporting goods store and bought my first firearm, a 12 gauge, pump action, riot shotgun and loaded it with 00 buckshot. Having steeped myself in Holocaust memoirs, I was determined to fight to the death anyone breaking into my apartment.

The riot did not spill over and years later, after moving to rural Pennsylvania, I took a number of self-defense courses in which I learned that an AR15 semi-automatic rifle (misleadingly called an "assault rifle" by anti-gun propogandists) was a far better home defense weapon than a shotgun. Why? Lighter in weight, almost no recoil, easier to aim, larger capacity of ammo. So, to answer the question of why anyone would need a (misnamed) "assault rifle," the answer is to defend oneself against a home invasion.
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One thing to keep in mind when spraying that intruder with that assault rifle AR-15, those shells keep on going, why kill the old couple next door or the child playing in their front yard down the street. Beleave me that rifle shell goes a hell of a lot further than those shotgun pellets.

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Jul 23, 2012 11:11:10   #
Hunter Lou 1947 Loc: Minnesota
 
It's up to Congress and the Senate to enact measures to protect our citizens so that cowards amongst us don't act their emotions out on us. The NRA is protecting their supporters but there has to be a common sense approach to gun violence. It has to start with that organization relaxing it's grip on our representatives. Letting us have guns for hunting or target shooting is fine but to allow military type weapons to go free on our streets without some sort of check is horrible. Why wasn't there a red flag in place to alert law enforcement of ammo purchaes and gun purchases in a short period of time. Why? Why not NRA?

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Jul 23, 2012 11:13:03   #
sandollor
 
14kphotog wrote:
Blake wrote:
Mike629 wrote:
How can an individual purchase all this ammo in 2 or 3 months, especially post 9-11, and it does not raise a red flag? Have your guns but limit ammo and 100 round clips ? No way. How many more times will we see tragedies like this in Aurora before we come to our collective senses and take action?


Ok most of you here know that I am a first responder. I do not like going to these types of calls and I have gone to a number of them. I also am a hunter. And a firearms instructor. I will tell you up frot that I respect folk that do not own any guns and I believe that everyone should be at lest trained to know how to recognize what one is and how to protect it and others when one is found without its owner near. Please do not laugh I can show you working guns that you would never think we're a gun so that being said.

I enjoy the meat that I harvest. I also enjoy the time in Gods country when I'm hunting. I also hone my hunting skills when I'm in the woods with my camera too when I want to get those wildlife pictures but that is off topic. I will share the meat I get when I hunt. There are many people in this country that are having a hard time making ends meet so by giving some of my harvest away may help someone that really needs it.

Again to those of you that don't own firearms. I will ask a very serious question of you. It actually 2 questions. If the women in your lives and your self where in a situation that you where about to be raped and had to litterally fight for your life. Would you not want a gun to shoot the perp. In a life or death situation, I can tell you from expirence you will do whatever it will take to live. If you where being mugged by an armed mugger. In many cases of an armed confrontation, if the intended victim has a gun as well pulls it out the mere presence of that gun will significagently change the odds of your survival. However, if it does not then you better be able to follow through and know how to use it to defend yourself and your family as well as your property. I will also tell you that there are many states that have strict laws on how to engage or not engage a person in a life or death situation. And that is more important than wether or not I carry a gun.

To be totally honest in this situation the man was exstreamly dangerous. He is highly educated and wanted to kill innocent people. Even if he had not used a gun which he did not have to. He had other exsplosives in his apartment Some of them were made from everyday products that you can buy at any store. Do you want to have your floor cleaner registered to you every time you buy it? Seriously floor cleaners can be used for I'll purposes if someone wants to. The last thing that I will say for now is that he wanted to kill. He would have had the very same results even if he did not have any guns on him.
quote=Mike629 How can an individual purchase all ... (show quote)

I also have worked on a medic team and been to a shooting, man standing over victim with gun in hand. The right to bear arms must be preserved at all cost. You will never stop a "nut killer" from doing what he sets out to do. Guns, knifes, ball bats, golf clubs, bow and arrows, bombs, they will still do it if guns were banned. Victim lived!!!
quote=Blake quote=Mike629 How can an individual ... (show quote)


How many mass murders 10 or more people have been carried out with a golf club or a knife? Bombs yes. Guns Yes.

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Jul 23, 2012 11:16:21   #
dspoon2 Loc: Rockwall TX
 
Danilo wrote:
I am constantly baffled that otherwise clear-thinking people hope to control the actions of law-breakers...by passing laws!
All that achieves is having something to prosecute them with afterwards, and we already have that. I can testify that, in my lifetime, murder has always been against the law. Using the prevailing logic, there should be no murder in our country. What went wrong?


you hit the nail square on the head....

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Jul 23, 2012 11:16:38   #
Michael O' Loc: Midwest right now
 
Mike629 wrote:
NRA brainwashing is obviously working. The have effectively created gun zombies and the only way to kill a zombie is with a head shot. God Bless the NRA for saving me from my myopic POV. Kill the Zombies ( Dems) and let`s live !!! WHAT??? Wyatt Earp never took any lead, he must be a God. Yep, stupid and so is owning an assault weapon. This argument will go on `til the last shot is fired.


You are so coherent, not.

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Jul 23, 2012 11:18:17   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
I carry as my job requires it, I will not hesitate to use it as my life requires it. Needless to say I am not promoting gun control but there should be control over the availability and ease with which an individual can purchase 6,000 rounds of ammunition for what is obviously a questionable weapon, AR-15.

I am 100% behind the idea of a responsible individual owning a hand gun or shot gun to protect his family, property or life. Working with the AG's office here in Louisiana I come in contact or get involved in a lot of different situations where weapons are present but seldom in a heinous manner. That unfortunately is left up to our Police and Sheriff Departments to sort out. But I have never seen the need for an individual to have 6,000 rounds of ammo. Thats where the control needs to come into play. Go down buy a box of 25 or 50 sure no problem but a case of 6,000 or whatever, sorry Bubba not in this lifetime.

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